Fallacy - Middle Era (Started!)

[Lingchih]

We, the Council of Ermor, have a whole bunch of earth gems. But they just fell out of the sky... we didn't mine them.

[Xietor]

Panakeia, the Goddess of Healing, divine ruler of things that grow, and akin to Nature herself, has declared spiders to be anathema. And Panakeia is happy to report that no Black Hunter Spiders shall be seen in the world henceforth.

The breeding ground of the Black Hunter spiders is under the guidance of Panakeia, and more wonderful creatures it shall now produce.

The Foul Being worshiped by the misguided Machakians has been vanquished, and the misguided are now being brought to the Light.

A dreamer's images of the evil Black Hunter spiders has been captured by magical means.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNNeG4RcQnM

[cupido2]

Agartha the Great hereby declares that C'tis is from now on regarded as vassal 1st class and shall be the right hand of Agartha the Invincible once the whole world is united under the wise rule of Helena. All lowly tribes: Bow to C'tis!
And as a special honor for our new vassal 1st class, we hereby declare war on Pangea in the name of C'tis, as Agartha the One that knows all has knowledge that Pangea attacked our loyal vassal Jotunheim. May the reign of the foul pangean god be ended swiftly.

And Ermor: Is this the way you thank Agartha the Great for ending the conflict with Pythium? Feel reprehended! And Agartha won't be so forgiving next time.

[cupido2]

Velusion said:

cupido2 said:
We, the invincible kingdom of Agartha, declare war on Eriu! Besides that, we ask 50 gold or 5 earth gems of every other kingdom as a tribute for the only true goddess Helena, that will soon break free. All hail Helena!



Aga-who??



Abysia went down when Helena broke free. A coincidence? Don't mess with Agartha!

[Lingchih]

Xietor said:
Panakeia, the Goddess of Healing, divine ruler of things that grow, and akin to Nature herself, has declared spiders to be anathema. And Panakeia is happy to report that no Black Hunter Spiders shall be seen in the world henceforth.

The breeding ground of the Black Hunter spiders is under the guidance of Panakeia, and more wonderful creatures it shall now produce.

The Foul Being worshiped by the misguided Machakians has been vanquished, and the misguided are now being brought to the Light.

A dreamer's images of the evil Black Hunter spiders has been captured by magical means.





It's funny that they won the Death Match. That mage may not be able to find a province to carry the trident back to.

[Hadrian_II]

Its sad to see for us that agarthas mind went the way of the starspawn.

The pangaean council debated if agartha should be destroyed, but has decided that they are not worth our attention.

Also a small group of adolescent centaurs has left our lands heading for agartha with the target of capturing the false pretender helena, so we can put her on display in our capitol.

[Xietor]

Need gold to finance your wars?

Pythium is buying gems.

Pythium-A name you trust.

Also trading death and other gems for Air gems.

[cupido2]

C'tis will you let you suffer for that insolence, Pangea.

[Xietor]

War wrecks the world. Atlantis fights Oceania beneath the waves. Pangaea battles with the Giants. And the Forge has been cast by Vanheim. An act of dominion or folly? Time will tell.

Amidst the turmoil there is the Pythium Trading House. Pythium buys and sells gems to all Nations. None are excluded.

While Pythium is willing to buy any type of gem, it is seeking Air Gems with vigor. It will buy air gems at a premium price for a short time only, or trade nature/earth gems 1 for 1. Pythium's offer to trade d gems for air is withdrawn due to an overwhelming response that has depleted our d gem supply.

Pythium-A Name you Trust.

[Lingchih]

The Scorpion King will ravage our provinces no more. Hurrah!

[Lingchih]

Why do we always wait on Shin? Is he like in Thailand or something?
Sorry Shinuyama, don't mean to be harsh. Just wondering. I get bored sometimes.

[Lingchih]

Oh, I see shin is in Australia. My apologies.

[Reay]

Yeah getting pretty busy over here.

I always get my turn done just before the 48 hours except on weekend where I have more time.

[Lingchih]

Shin, don't make me shake my finger at you again! This is the weekend. Do your turn.

[Xietor]

From Velusion on the 1st page:

"After that the timer will increase to 48 hours though it is hoped that players will normally still be able to play every 24 hours, with the occasional missed day."

From the above, I am not sure Velusion contemplated one player deliberately waiting to the last minute of the 48 hour period. Turns at this juncture take 5-10 minutes to complete.

But short of killing the player off, there is not much that can be done. Velusion has a rule against badgering people to do their turns, so I would suggest no more posts on the subject.

If it bothers you, declare war and kill the offending player.

[Reay]

Turns are definitely not taking me 5-10 minutes at the moment.

I am not deliberately waiting to the last minute either. I am sure some of us have different priorities at different times. I have not been able to take my turn until now.

[Velusion]

Asking players to do their turns early - before the timer is up - is a general no no.

The cure for "Dom3 turn impatience" malady is to join another game (though this might lead to other problems) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

Pythium trading house is open for business.

We are trading Air, Water, and Fire gems for other types(except Earth in homage to Agartha).

Pythium, to alleviate any unwarranted fears, pledges the following:

1. Pythium does not own any clams, and has no mage capable of making a clam(Velusion can verify).

2. Pythium's highest level s mage has old age and is s4 only(Velusion can verify).

3. Pythium pledges not to cast Arcane Nexus the entire game,
not that we can anyway with an s4 old mage. But who knows what the future may bring? Pythium does reserve the right to overwrite another nation's Arcane Nexus as that may be the only way to save the World.

4. Pythium also pledges, since it is lawful good, not to cast Burden of Time, Utterdark, or Astral Corruption the entire game. If Pythium casts any of these spells, it forfeits the game.

Pythium-A Name you can Trust.

You will see no similar pledges from other Nations.

[Ray]

I will have no internet access from April 5 - April 13 while I am on vacation. I was wondering if someone who had already been eliminated from the game might want to substitute for that time. Or, does anyone in the game know someone they could recommend.

My turns only take about 5 minutes. Please post hereor PM me if you have any suggestions,

Thanks.

[Xietor]

I would ask Lolomo. He has already subbed for Evilhomer, so he has the map and mods already. Plus with simple 5 minute turns, he is a good bet. And he is reliable.

And he carries no grudges.

[Xietor]

More community service by Pythium.

The evil Spider Kingdom is no more!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNNeG4RcQnM


Pythium-A Name you Trust.

[Xietor]

The Nations of the World may have noticed from the score graphs that Pythium, the People of Peace, are engaged in a war with Vanheim.

Pythium is a lawful good nation, and we had good relations with our neighbor Vanheim. We even did a trade or two. But Pythium is a free people, and cannot bend knee to a foreign master.

There are certain global spells that Panakeia feels are so powerful, that if not brought down, will in time force all to bend knee to the Pretender owning the powerful global.
The Forge is one such global. Arcane Nexus, Burden of Time,
Utterdark, and Astral Corruption are the others.

War was not Pythium's 1st option. It sought other nations to help dispel the Forge. But the general consensus was with an infinite amount of Earth gems from the Deep Well Global, the Forge could be easily recast.

So with regret and sadness, Pythium gave its 3 turn notice to Vanheim, its one time friendly neighbor. And after 3 turns of taking no type of hostile action whatsoever against Vanheim, began its attack-albeit with heavy hearts.

Pythium has already pledged not to cast Arcane Nexus, Astral Corruption, BOT, and Utterdark. But it wishes to give this warning to any nation considering casting one of these all powerful endgame globals-do not do it. The free world will not stand idly by and become enslaved.

Pythium-A Name you Trust.

[vfb]

C'tis has great fear of the monstrous devices that can be constructed at negligible cost using the Forge of the Ancients.

We thank the mighty nations of Pythium, Ermor, Eriu, and of course Agartha, for their arduous struggle against the creations of the Forge, and our blessings are upon them in this war.

As for events in the West, the false god of Marignon has been slain yet once more. But we fear we will see him again and again, until his last castles are stormed, and his remaining temples torn down.

C'tis

[Lingchih]

We, the Council of Ermor, say that the forge shall go down at our hands. The Forger is under siege, and will be killed soon. We expect repatriation from all other nations for this service. We do not expect much... a few gems from each nation after the forge is destroyed will do.

Spoken,
The Council of Ermor

[Zoshan]

The Tide comes in the Tide goes out. Such is life.

Atlantis

[cupido2]

Agartha smiles at the words of Ermor and proudly announces the fall of Mictlan and has forseen the fall of Vanheim through the hand of Agartha the Great. There will be many balloons and music in Agartha's message of Vanheim's defeat.

[Ray]

While I am on vacation from April5-13, LoloMo has graciously agreed to sub for me.

Thanks for the suggestion Xietor.

See you all in a week.

[LoloMo]

Yups, I will be subbing for Man. I start work next turn!

[Xietor]

Welcome back Lolomo. May your powerful neighbors refrain from eating you.

Good Luck!

[Lingchih]

All Vanheim globals are now down. Including the Forge. Please send repatriation gem payment. We did this, of course for the good of the world.

[cupido2]

Agartha the Great has sent reparations to Vanheim as you proposed.

[Lingchih]

Many thanks, Agartha. We shall continue to mine no earth gems in your honor.

[cupido2]

Dear Ermor, you misunderstood the Stone Oracles. Agartha the One that knows all will heed your call and send gems to Vanheim, as it was Vanheim itself that killed the caster of those cursed global spell. However, Agartha the Great, the One that fights Vanheim since the beginning, will continue to exterminate the last nests of the Vans that still exist on this world.

[Lingchih]

hahaha. so you saw the battle too, eh? I wonder how many scouts and spies are in Vanheim. They are probably bumping into each other in the best hiding places... "Excuse me, is this bush taken?"

[Reay]

My scout reported some cheering from the bushes last turn. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Hadrian_II]

My scouts reported victory over shinujama last turn. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Xietor]

I previously asked for notice before summoning my djinn away.

While I only kept 15 gems of items on him-less when you consider the forge bonus-it would have been nice to remove them.

Fortunately I was using the Djinn to site search when he was summoned, but previously I had used him in military actions. Another reason I asked for a 1 turn notice before he was summoned away.

I would like to hear from the offending party before my scouts spot the Djinn in action. Of course if it was Vanheim, then his motive is pure, though he was late in the summoning. The work by the Djinn had already been done.

If any nation spots the djinn flying around, a reward is in the offering.

[Reay]

Oops, forgot to give death gems to the mage that I scripted to cast Darkness. That's my first big D'oh for this game so far http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Xietor]

Why is the host time for this turn being pushed back? Happened twice so far.

[vfb]

I think the server went down. I couldn't connect for a while. So when it got restarted, the clock reset.

[Reay]

Yes, I could not get my turn yesterday, so I'll have to do my turn tomorrow morning (Aus time).

[Xietor]

I like Australian beer! Of course I like the beer from many countries. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

and coincidentally I am reading a novel, The Pillars of Earth, by Australian author Ken Follet.

[Lingchih]

I wonder if Vanheim has dropped from the game? Shin is always last... I understand that, and have no problem with it. But meister miagi usually takes his turn well before this.

And, oh yeah, I like beer too Xietor. Not sure where that came from, but cheers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

Vanheim missed a turn, but it looks like that did not help you too much. All of his mages and troops are still scripted.

Vanheim has done his turn early this time. Fear the Gate Keeper!

[Lingchih]

Thunder Strike!! Now in bottles and cans. Be sure and bring a six pack, twelve pack, or even a case to your next battle. You'll be glad you did.

[Redfrog]

Lingchih said:
Thunder Strike!! Now in bottles and cans. Be sure and bring a six pack, twelve pack, or even a case to your next battle. You'll be glad you did.



You can bring your skeleton spamming squads to next battle, that's a good counter to TS http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Xietor]

He was the wizard of a thousand kings

and a chance to meet him one night wondering.

He told me tales and he drank my wine.

Me and my magic man kinda feeling fine.

He had a cloak of gold and eyes of fire.

And as he spoke I felt a deep desire

to free the world of its fear and pain

and help the people to feel free again.

[Xietor]

I wonder if there was actually anyone that did not have a scout at Vanheim's capital last turn.

Was not much to see anyway. A few mages and archers v. a few statues. Move along now, patrols are beginning.

[Reay]

A very interesting army moved through Vanheim and the surrounding provinces last turn. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

We have lots of spectators on our border with Pangaea as well. I killed about 5 spys in 2 provinces last turn. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

[Xietor]

I would like to say good game to meister_miagi. Vanheim was a strong power on the south continent, maybe the strongest. Casting the Forge was a bold play, but in this instance I think it was a bit too early.

In the end poor Vanheim was fighting 1 v 4, and that is not much fun. His Pretender took a fair share of Ermor troops with him though on his way out.

If it is any consolation meister_miagi you may have weakened Ermor to the point that he cannot fight off Caelum.

And the Peaceful People of Pythium are now at peace once again. With the forge gone, the World is a brighter and safer place. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Lingchih]

Yes, good game meister_miagi. I (Ermor) was really torn about attacking you. You had been a great neighbor all game, but after I saw everyone else ganking you, well, I figured I had to have a piece of the pie too.

Well, that small piece of pie was very costly. I lost the only groups I could call armies in totality, and gained only three provinces. Provinces I cannot defend, now that Caelum swoops down on us.

In retrospect, I should have ignored the calls to attack you, and instead fortified my eastern border with Caelum. After all, we knew he would attack sooner or later. Now Caelum sweeps over us like a great high tide, and we can do little to stop them.

Ahh, well. We will fight to the end, as always.

[meister_miagi]

Thanks, it was fun up until the last few turns. I didn't think the Forge was considered that powerful, most of the good items were already forged anyways so it didn't do much good.

The mage who cast the Forge and the Well got diseased on the turn he cast it and he had only 1 hp left on the turn he was killed. I probably should have killed him off sooner myself, so everyone come after me!

[Xietor]

The Forge allows not only constr 8 artifacts at a huge discount, but bloodstones, clams, and items for your thugs.

And with the forge and a dwarven hammer, you get a 75 percent discount on your robe magi, etc. It is not on the same level as Burden of Time or Arcane Nexus, but in the games I have played casting the Forge brought about immediate attacks-and many consider the casting of the Forge
to break existing naps as well.

The casting of Arcane Nexus, Burden of Time, Utterdark, Wrath of Gods all definitely break existing naps, and if cast, the player can expect attacks from every side the very next turn-nap or not.

In my other mp game, Epic Heroes II, Atlantis cast the Forge. Marignon and I who were at war and bitter enemies made peace the very same turn and both attacked Atlantis the next turn. And other Nations joined the attack as well.

So the Forge is not a global to cast lightly. If you tell a strong neighbor in advance you are casting it, and promise to make him stuff, you may gain an ally that will help fight with you as he directly benefits from the Forge as well.

[Redfrog]

lol, the AI did an excellent job, ignore my script and cast marble warriors on my unfrozen troops http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif This is the funniest battle I have ever seen http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Xietor]

With most every nation at war, or having been at war, Ctis sits alone building up with his vassal, Man. When you look at the score graphs, you may as well add Man's stuff to Ctis mountain. Though that is not necessary, as Ctis tops the charts by miles in his own right.

Look at the province, research, fort, and dominion score graph, and there is your clear winner of Fallacy. Without even having to dirty his hands much. Outstanding job, especially on the diplomacy side. Though I think the North had it a tad easier than the South with 3 nations on ai from the get go.

Should we crown him now or play a bit more? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[cupido2]

Agartha is invincible

[Reay]

In my opinion, it will be extremely hard to stop C'tis winning from here. Has he defeated anyone other than nations that were AI?

[vfb]

C'tis is not known for our sense of humor, but the Bakemono sure know how to make a lizard laugh!

Pythium has not only higher gem income than C'tis, they also have the Sickle Whose Crop Is Pain. C'tis had a scout in a barbarian province just this month, and Pythium picked up 30 death gems from that battle! That's in addition to their gem income that's already higher than that of C'tis.

C'tis has pretty much maxed out on research, but it doesn't do a whole lot of good when C'tis doesn't have casters for Fog Warriors and nice stuff like that, which Pythium has. Did you not see the battle in Vanheim's capitol? Gem income is absolutely the most critical aspect of the game at this point. Well, research too, but it's only critical to have enough research, not to max out every single path.

C'tis can summon and GoR one Tartarian a turn, and maybe give him some okay gear. Pythium can summon at least three a turn, three just from the Sickle income alone, and they have the Aegis, Mage Bane, the Sickle, and nearly all the other good artifacts, except for the Chalice and the Scepter of Dark Regency. And it's not hard to take those away from me, with Pythium's ability to Wish.

Not that Pythium needs the Chalice, since they have Gift of Health up. Not that Pythium needs Tartarians, since they've got a legion of Harbringers in the Hall of Fame. But if they do want some Tartarian buddies for their angels, they also still have had Mother Oak up since the beginning of the game, so GoR is not a problem for them.

The only thing standing between C'tis and destruction is Invincible Agartha, who blocks the route of Pythium into our swamps which they seem to covet so dearly.

[Xietor]

Pythium's only mages with death magic is its pretender, and 1 lamia queen. pythium's highest d mage of the 2 he has, is a level 3 d mage. Unlike Ctis, Pythium has no gor tartarians, or immortal demilichs.

Pythium highest s mage is 4s, and cannot even sniff wishing. Plus, pythium in an earlier handshake deal promised not to wish your chalice away, and pythium does not break his word or forget his promises.

Pythium tried unsuccessfully to trade ryleh for a 5s starspawn-in case Pythium ever did want to wish for something. Ryleh said he did not have any for trade. So Pythium's highest s mage remains 4s, and only a fool would empower a mage with extreme old age from 4 to 6. And i certainly have not.

While Pythium does have a large gem income, a huge chunk of that is from gale gate, and no one ever won a big mp game on the back of air gems. In crunch time, the game will be decided by s and d gems. And my d gem income is meager despite the sickle. There are not many barbarian provinces in the South, which is why i had to snag one in agartha's area(with his permission). btw, he did not snag 30, but 23.

So on most every turn, the sickle is idle. But if anyone in the world needs barbarians cleared from a province, send me a message. I am your man!

Besides I was trying to crown you champion VFB, you should accept your crown. you are much too modest.

Pythium is also the only race to promise not to cast arcane nexus, bot, utterdark, and astral corruption. The big fear of s gems is arcane nexus, and i have removed that weapon from my arsenal.

Besides who could siege those castles in that disease dominion?

Also tartarians have a wide variety of magic, and many of them have 3 air. So you do in fact have mages that can cast fog warriors, or any other combat spell your heart desires.

[vfb]

Well then, it is time for the world to see which of Pythium and C'tis is stronger then.

We must compete, to see who shall have the privilege of sitting at the right hand of Invincible Agartha's table, and who shall be seated on the left.

[Xietor]

I doubt it will be much of a competition.

[Redfrog]

After received that wonderful gift which spell casting AI send to me last turn, I'm ready to end and admit a winner http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Reay]

So there is going to be a game deciding war between Pythium and Ctis?

I know that the nation of the Bakemono are not as strong as the above nations and will admit to the winner of this war being the true leader of the world.

However, the invincible Agartha will always be the power behind the throne. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Lingchih]

Holyfrog said:
After received that wonderful gift which spell casting AI send to me last turn, I'm ready to end and admit a winner http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



That was hilarious Holyfrog. I mean, probably more hilarious for me. But still, very funny. Cold immune Unfrozen freezing to death.

That said, if you want to continue our little war, we shall then. It's not of much importance in the greater scheme of things.

[Xietor]

Pythium is not fighting any war with Ctis, as it would be futile. We do not share a border with Ctis, and have no troops that can withstand his dominion.

But if Ctis is bored and attacks us, we will try to defend our borders, and ask our friends for aid.

[vfb]

Pythium is fighting a war with C'tis as of six posts ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

It is not futile for Pythium to delay war, it is wise. With your superior gem income, you grow stronger as time goes on, and you are able to bring your research on par with that of the lizards.

But C'tis is now wise to your ways, and we have seen how you beguiled your neighbors into taking the heaviest losses against Vanheim, while you end up with their capitol and huge tracts of land.

[Xietor]

Ermor and Caelum have ended their mutual conflict.

Though they can offer nothing that will aid Pythium in a fight against gor tartarians, they can at least focus on research and build up their forces in case they suddenly share a border with Ctis.

Caelum and Ermor are wise. Though one race was winning that war, he realized what use is gaining some provinces, when you may be facing tartarians soon? Owning provinces you cannot defend is pointless.

Pythium is doomed-we know that. But we urge all other nations that are at war to end their petty wars. Gaining 10 or even 20 provinces will not matter. What matters is focusing your efforts on researching spells that can aid you when it is your turn to face tartarians. And you need to focus efforts on getting your own tartarians.

Pythium will go down fighting, and hopefully our death may buy the rest of the world the time it needs to catch up in research.

Do not waste your gems on any nation not named Ctis. For unless he can be beaten, all of your efforts are for naught.
Further weakening yourselves through war just aids his cause.

Pangaea, jotunheim, and shinuyama-you need each other. And you need each other to be strong. Each brings something unique to the table. You need peace, and you need a mutual defense pact against Ctis, so when he turns his eyes back to the North, you can stand united against him.

Whatever effort can be made, the chalice must be wished away from ctis. Even if it is a world effort. Though he likely has a vast stockpile of tartarians. Pythium sees 3 demilich plus his pretender right now-though my spies die of disease and my network is incomplete. That is at least 4 mages capable of summoning a tartarian every turn.

It is not our intent to engage our enemy with words in public discourse. The graphs speak louder than any words. And next turn when you see pythium's income and provinces plummet, the proof will be in the pudding so to speak. And Pythium will provide pictures of what you face, and a full accounting of what war with ctis entails on a turn by turn basis so you can prepare the better.

Any nation wanting more detailed information can contact me privately.

[Tichy]

Perhaps invincible Agartha will come to the aid of a world in need!

[vfb]

So much for "noble" Pythium.

If C'tis had known you would whine and pule and greet like some lost child, we would have sent your a bucket for your tears along with our declaration of war.

Can C'tis hope that it is only fear, which has clouded the minds of your counselors, and impaired the vision of your spies? Or is it because you wish undue advantage, that you feel a need to embellish and exaggerate. Or perhaps Pythium's agenda is to seek to trick C'tis into disclosing the true composition of our forces. In any case, your lies sully the reputation that you seem to have invested so much effort in.

Pythium, send me your death gems, so that C'tis may summon four tartarians a turn. Send me your air and earth gems, that C'tis might equip them. Send me your nature gems, that C'tis might bestow reason on them. And for Pankreator's sake, send me your store of artifacts, so that C'tis may live up to the reputation that you seek to build for us!

If next month the graphs tell a tale of only losses for Pythium, and only gains for C'tis, then that is because you are avoiding the fight with our nation, so that other nations may fight in your stead. While you preserve your strength. While you take no risks. Perhaps a smart plan, but also a cowardly one.

So much for "noble" Pythium.

[cupido2]

The world is really in need. In need of Helena the one true goddess and the guidance of the Agarthan Stone Oracles. All tribes, unite under the leadership of Agartha, become a vassal as C'tis, Jotunheim and Eriu are. Otherwise you suffer the same fate as Vanheim will face soon and Abysia and the fallen Mictlan already faced. Make the oath to Helena and Agartha's holy mission on the surface of the world is done.

[Lingchih]

Agartha, awake from your dream and come to the real world. The end game is here, and we do not need your ravings anymore, we need your help. Awake!!!

[Redfrog]

We should crown Helena the great as the true goddess, then this little world will go back to peace .

[vfb]

Caelum, your nation has been busy at war, so you should not be faulted. But in the chaos of your battles, it seems you may have missed your invitation to the coronation of she-whom-we-are-not-worthy-to-name. Emissaries of all other loyal Agarthan vassals, C'tis included, were there to witness the glorious event.

Sssla of C'tis

[lebarjack]

I cannot connect to the server and the status page isn't not acessiblre too...

[Xietor]

The Server is back up now, and the turn hosted.

As promised, Pythium will keep you abreast of its war with Ctis. Because we admire our enemy, we will not engage in any name calling or insults. We will just post pictures, which are worth a 1000 words, with a small caption:

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/94ef30e7f5c60475229c6b3b5858aa542g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=l2bkwbicb1i&thumb=4)


These Tartarians and mages were teleported and cloud trapezed into a remote province. Another gor tartarian teleported to yet another province. There also were 2 ghost riders, and 1 call of the wild.

[vfb]

Ha ha ha http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Damn! Our posse failed to arrest your miscreant. The angel escaped with his gems, and his magic scythe too. Never mind ... he will need to bring some friends next time he goes barbarian hunting again!

C'tis

[vfb]

Ouch ouch ouch!

No .... not the dreaded Astral Shield! Stupid suicidal snake! You were scripted to cast Returning for a reason.

Pythium is killing the fabled Tartarians of C'tis like flies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

We must say, it was very nice to meet Pythium's own tartarian, though it was strange company she kept -- no angels, but a Wraith Lord, Bogus and friends, and a Skratti.

[Xietor]

mine was not gor, with items and gems like yours are.

But yes, Pythium can make 1 now and again, though you saw my wraith lord had no d boosters on him, so i am not cranking them out by any means-and the sickle was idle yet again last turn. It is a rare turn we see some indies to kill.

Bogus and 1 friend-the archer.

A Jotunheim mage? Are you sure you do not need glasses?

Yes, you lost a tartarian. You gated it in next to my capital, and since i had no one else that could fight it, i had to risk my pretender. But I luckily won out. But you got to see my pretender anyway-it is not nice to fool with Mother Nature.

So you had 5 gor tartarians that can travel, you have 4 more in a castle with your pretender, and how many more gor tartarians that cannot travel?

You have gems to splurge on tidal waves, ghost riders, earth attacks, and your free monthly call of the wild, etc to rape my lands. And poor peaceful Pythium just wanted to be left alone(: to guide the faithful. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

Why are Man's bards in my area? Are you playing them directly or are they just your vassal and do as you tell them? (I am kidding about playing them directly btw).

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Xietor said:
mine was not gor, with items and gems like yours are.

But yes, Pythium can make 1 now and again, though you saw my wraith lord had no d boosters on him, so i am not cranking them out by any means.

Bogus and 1 friend-the archer.

A Jotunheim mage? Are you sure you do not need glasses?

...




Luckily our intrepid reporter was at the scene of the massacre!

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/vfb_dominions/py1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/vfb_dominions/py2.jpg

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Xietor said:
...

Why are Man's bards in my area? Are you playing them directly or are they just your vassal and do as you tell them? (I am kidding about playing them directly btw).



Nope, they are acting on their own accord. Man is a friend of our nation, but C'tis accepts no tribute from them, and we do not direct their actions. In any case we are happy to hear that they are bothering you! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Xietor]

Strange that you have that picture in the battle of a mage named Xox. Of course it would be impossible for Pythium to have a jotunheim mage.

I wonder if a weird bug exists in the heroes file?

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I thought you must have charmed him, like you did Bogus. Your battle replay shows a different unit? Shift-I says it is monster number 553.

[Xietor]

How would I charm a jotunheim unit when we are not near each other and that mage cannot travel?

[vfb]

Well, I see the mage in the battle. I don't know what you mean by "it can't travel". It wouldn't have been impossible for Jotun to trade you a mage. He could have either sent it over on a Pocket Ship, or sneaked it overland or underwater.

You had mentioned trying to trade for a mage with Rlyeh in order to be able to cast wish, so I assumed you had done the same thing with Jotun, only in this case you had gotten a mage to access blood.

Do you see a different unit number in the battle? It's a bug for sure if you do.

[Xietor]

Hmm a pocket ship-i never thought of that. I am having some fun with you. I was offering a puzzle-which has yet to be solved. Though a pocket ship would have been a good method.

It does appear Pythium ended up with a Jotunheim mage named Xox somehow. Maybe it was in the darkest days, and the Jotunheim empire was about to pass into the annals of history, and a bright young Pythium scholar offered to make Xox immortal and let him live on as an influential member of the Pythium society.

Little did we know at the time that the Jotunheim Empire will likely outlast the Pythium Empire. We may have to send an angel over to Jotunheim so if Pythium is no more, it can live on through its herald angel.

[vfb]

Well, I'll have to get back in character if it's not a bug, then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif But first here's another guess at your puzzle:

unit 1 (Would you risk your god? Or maybe just send a Faery Queen):
Trapeze -> Charm x 5

unit 2:
Teleport -> Astral Shield, Body Eth, Personal Luck, Luck, Vortex of Returning

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C'tis has given up all hope of accomplishing anything against Pythium. We managed to deplete what little gem reserves we had, get some nice units of ours killed, and provide some exercise for Pytium's forces.

So, we abandon our futile war against them.

[Xietor]

Is the world at peace? It looks as if Oceania is finished. So I am not counting them.

[Hadrian_II]

Xietor said:
Is the world at peace? It looks as if Oceania is finished. So I am not counting them.



Pangaea is fighting off ruthless shin invaders, so the word is by no means at peace.

[cupido2]

Vanheim isn't dead yet.

[Xietor]

Vanheim is dead. Eriu is just having some issues breaching the walls of his last castle-a mountain fortress with 600 defense.

Though vanheim's dominion is most annoying, so i hope eriu throws more firbolgs to the task! Of course the Mighty Agarthians could crumble the walls down!

[Xox]

Pan is not fighting off Shin invaders , Shin is evicting ruthless pan invaders from my lands.

And the world is indeed by no means at peace while pan beseiges Jotunheim's (my) capitol.

Such deception!

How quickly the animals learn the use of deceit, betrayel, and propoganda.

But of course noone had to teach Pan the worst vices of civilisation. They excel at them and have so from the beginning.

Way back before we were at war Pangea (Hadrian_II) bombarded me with 20-40 "rain of toads" before he even notified me our 3 turn nap was terminated.

Impressive use of that spell, and it did do a good job of wrecking my economy before we even went to war (officially).

However.... Everyone be aware that Hadrian does not honor his non aggression treaties.


XOX of Jotunheim ( also embodied in various other mercenary giants employed here and there thoughout the world).

[Tichy]

Eriu is workin' on it. Got another bundle of good guys on the way to claw at those walls.

[Reay]

The Bakemono have been trying to evict the forest beings from the Giant's lands. However, now the billion berserk bloodied booby army have turned golden it is making it even harder to keep up with the swarm. He just keeps replacing them with more crazy women.

I have no plans currently to invade the forest beings lands and I am just trying to keep the Giants alive at the moment.

Why can't we all just get along? Girls.. giants are more manly than Pans. Look at those rippling giant muscles. Fur just gets in the way.

As for breaking the NAP, I know some people require NAP's to have a no anonymous ritual clause. I do not, since aggression whether it is anonymous or not is still aggression for me. I guess it just means we have to be clearer whenever we make NAPs.

[Xietor]

Yes, that very issue just reared its head in my other mp game-Epic Heroes II. For amusement one can read Lolomo's(caelum) post which is close to the end. And Admiralzhao's reply(ermor).

heheheh.

[Redfrog]

Greetings everyone ! Caelum is trading Air and Fire gems for S&N gems.

[Hadrian_II]

Xox said:
Way back before we were at war Pangea (Hadrian_II) bombarded me with 20-40 "rain of toads" before he even notified me our 3 turn nap was terminated.

Impressive use of that spell, and it did do a good job of wrecking my economy before we even went to war (officially).

However.... Everyone be aware that Hadrian does not honor his non aggression treaties.



The glorious nation of Pangaea is appaled by the malificent lies of the dark and evil Empire of Jotunheim. Pangaea invaded Jotunheim on a humanitarian mission as even the cold grip of the Lich oppressing the Giant was not able to supress all opposition in his lands. When the Demons of Shinuyama would not have rescued their evil allies, then the reinvigorating presence of Pangaea would have have been able to rebuild the economy of the oppressed lands. Scouts report, that unrest in the Jotun capital is still way to high to support unit recruitments.

Hadrian-II of Pangaea

OOC: im now playing dom3 since it is out, and i have never ever broken a NAP. You on the other hand tryed to get an advantage by attacking me one turn before the 3 Turn grace period was off.

Rain of Toad is an anonymous ritual and therefore casting it cant be a violation of a NAP as no one did it. NAPs that include a ban of anonymous rituals or sneaking in troops are metagaming and i consider that quite lame.

Offcourse i did cast the rituals, so i did not whine in the forum when you really broke our nap.http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

and btw. calling other players liers because they are not metagamers like you are is rude. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

[Xox]

woo, where in the heck does the fevered imagination of anyone connect anonymous rituals to metagaming?

Hey, it's all in good fun, no worries. I take none of this personal, and i hope you do not either. You got me good, but..... it was a violation of the nap!!!

Attacking someone during a nap treaty is breaking a nap. Just because it is an anonymous ritual does not mean it is not an attack or not breaking your treaty of non aggression.

Trying to hide behind the anonymous part of it does not change the fact that an attack is breaking the treaty. And with that many attacks, then telling me you were terminating the nap and giving me the three turn warning after already delivering 20-40 of the continuing attacks it was really not anonymous anyways.

Naming you a treaty breaker is my right, calling me rude for doing so, is just evasion.

[Hadrian_II]

Xox said:
woo, where in the heck does the fevered imagination of anyone connect anonymous rituals to metagaming?



When it rains frogs in your capital, you cant say if the frogs were sent by pangaea or anyone else.


Xox said:
Hey, it's all in good fun, no worries. I take none of this personal, and i hope you do not either. You got me good, but..... it was a violation of the nap!!!



Nope, anonymous rituals cant break a nap, as they are anonymous. Also stealthy preaching, sneaking armies or to position huge armies on a border are not breaks of a nap. Even equipping vane venom charms on your scouts and sending them into the enemy capital is not a break of a nap (at least not until they are caught, and even then it is not a break of the nap but when someone would do that to me i would ignore the nap and attack the offender anyway).


Xox said:
Attacking someone during a nap treaty is breaking a nap. Just because it is an anonymous ritual does not mean it is not an attack or not breaking your treaty of non aggression.




An anonymous ritual is not an attack, or it is an attack but not by you, so it cant break a nap.


Xox said:
Naming you a treaty breaker is my right, calling me rude for doing so, is just evasion.




If in your opinion i have broken a pact, then you had another pact with me than i had with you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
A NAP is just an early game tool to make a deal with a player that both will attack some one else at first. Later on a nap gives you the chance to put your troops in position before the war starts (And your troops where in place as you invaded me with a huge army in the start of the war, if i really would have broken the nap you would not had that chance and the whole war would have been fought on your teritorry).

[Tichy]

Hadrian: Judging from the ongoing discussions on this board, you have an odd notion of what an NAP is...What you're describing here seems to be breaking an NAP surreptitiously and trying to get away with it. No player with good reason to believe that you'd hit them with anonymous rituals would consider an NAP with you to still be in effect. Of course if you can keep it ambiguous enough -- like using rituals that your nation isn't known to possess, etc., you can probably get away with it for a while, but aggression is aggression. And you don't even seem to be trying to play the grey area here...

My guess is that players who know this is your attitude about them simply won't forge them with you anymore. Unless of course this is in-character banter about a Fallacy-specific conflict that I shouldn't be kibbitzing about.

[Xox]

I know there are a few proponents of your way of thinking Hadrian, as evidenced in other threads. But I also know that the majority do not agree with that line of reasoning.

It boils down to this:

You agreed to a nonagression treaty with me,

you attacked me without warning,

you broke the treaty.


Your claim that your attacks are not considered "real" attacks is just rules lawyering to gain an advantage.

Actually our particular example of this debate is illuminating because while a few people other than Hadrian may claim anonymous rituals do not break a nap even though most people say they do.... Hadrian has pushed that reasoning to its extreme conclusion.

He reasons anonymous attacks are not really an attack and so does not just one or two or even ten, but about 50 as a precurser to the "offical" attacks. There is no longer even a pretense of who is doing the attacks, yet the claim is that this does not break a nonagression treaty!!?

It shows where that kind of thinking goes.

XOX

[Hadrian_II]

Tichy said:
My guess is that players who know this is your attitude about them simply won't forge them with you anymore. Unless of course this is in-character banter about a Fallacy-specific conflict that I shouldn't be kibbitzing about.



Pangaea is a very sneaky nation so playing it in a very sneaky way is almost mandatory. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

As xox is the first player complaining about NAP breaches by me, i think naps with me are not that bad. Well, it was the first time i really casted lots of rituals before declaring war and i would not do this if i would not have pangaea, where casting rain of toads as early as possible gives just a very huge benefithttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif.

A nap for me is no attacks and no un anonymous spells as they are attacks too. Offcourse unanonymous are attacks too but as they cant be linked to a player (as in anonymous) they cant break a nap. If you would make anonymous rituals nap breaking every nap becomes just an useless paper, as as soon an anonymous ritual would be cast on you you would have the right to engage anyone you like.

Lets just say that when i would be the pactbreaking type, there would now be a huge gangbang on ctis going on right now. So my adherence to pacts, i make in dom3 games, will make ctis win in this game.

Another point with a nap is, that punishment for breaking a nap is war. So if you intend to go to war anyway a nap becomes just a fancy peace of paper.

For me a NAP is an early game tool to fix a border with a nation, and non agreement to an early nap means war. The grace period of a nap means that you get preperation time if the other player decides to engage you. (And Jotunheim had that period, as the day the grace period ended a huge jotun army crossed my border.)

In the late game the grace period is worthless, as enemy scouts would notice your army moving to the border anyway so pactbreaking does not give you any benefit.

I also try to play the nations according to the theme and pangaea has a very sneaky theme.

And btw. i did not get any benefit from it, i may have crused jotun, but all lands of jotunheim are now belonging to shin, and i am loosing the war against shinuyama. (shinuyama is still pretending only to fight to help his jotun friends http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)

please vote in the poll i made in the main forum.

[cupido2]

There have been books written about that topic. Agartha the Enlighted asked their stone oracle. Hear the words of wisdom:

Casting anonymous rituals is no breach of an nap as long as you're not caught.

So the verdict of Helena is: Pangea broke the NAP with Jotunheim and shall be punished by C'tis for that insolence.

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C'tis apologizes to our Agarthan overlords. We are drowning our sorrows in lizard beer, following our humiliating defeat at the hands of the wizards of Pythium. We are far too drunk to even think about punishing anyone.

[Tichy]

The wisdom of the Agarthan oracle is machiavellirrific as usual.

In other words, where Hadrian says "no attack" I say "attack you get away with." Anonymous spells are technically anonymous, which gives you *some* wiggle room. That is, there's a difference between calling an NAP null-and-void because I got seeking arrowed (Arrowed!), and calling my NAP with my only blood magic using neighbor null-and-void after multiple rains of toads. In the former case I don't have reasonable suspicion of that neighbor, in the latter case I do.

Of course if the neighbor claims that the spells weren't his, then it shifts to the court of public opinion. However, the one thing that no one will buy is to say 'yes they were mine, but that's not a breach of the NAP'.

[Xox]

Well said Tichy,

And that poll Hadrian has in another thread intentionally muddies the issue.

Hadrian, Just put up a poll that says "does casting anonymous rituals break a nap?"

yes or no?


Casting an attack ritual is aggression whether it is anonymous or not,

The only aspect that the anonymous part brings up is who is the one attacking.

In our case, in the game fallacy, there was no question it was you.

Not saying your a bad person or anything, as i said before don't take this personal. I just said you broke the nap, Breaking a nap is not cheating, perfec;ly legal, might affect you getting other people to trust you in traaties though. I guess that is really what this discussion is about.

But what do you expect Hadrian?!!

You signed a treaty that said you would give me 3 turns warning before you attack and then you hit me with about 50 rain of toads!! 20 before you even started the three turn count down.

Come on, would you yourself trust a nap with another player who does that?

[Reay]

Yes, since the leader of the forest beings has stated that they were his toads means it is a break of the NAP.

For me a NAP is worthless if both players do not have honour.

The honourable Bakemono will try to punish the sneaky forest beings for this insolence. However this has not been an easy task.

The giants will be free to grow large again now that the toads are dead.

[Hadrian_II]

Xox said:
Hadrian, Just put up a poll that says "does casting anonymous rituals break a nap?"

yes or no?




The results of the poss state that

50% of the people think that it breaks the NAP.
15% think the nap is still in place
35% are up for interpretation

I say that it does not break the letter of a nap, as it does not include a direct attack. But if someone would cast anonymous rituals on me, i would break the nap i have with him and attack him.


Reay said:
The giants will be free to grow large again now that the toads are dead.




I will have to see that first. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

edit: second poste is from reay and not from xox (copy & pastehttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif)

[Xox]

You are misusing my quote Hadrian. Very deceitful. That is not the results from the poll i suggested and you have interpeted your own 7 choice poll arbitrairly and questionably down to three.

Also Your second quote you attribute to me is actually from Reay, not from me. That would be quite a bold statement if it came from me, I must admit.

[Hadrian_II]

Xox said:
You are misusing my quote Hadrian. Very deceitful. That is not the results from the poll i suggested and you have interpeted your own 7 choice poll arbitrairly and questionably down to three.



I dont think there is another possibility to interpret that poll as i did. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[vfb]

C'tis may need to go AI in a few days. I've posted for a sub here (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=600846) but did not get any offers.

[Xietor]

The AI still might win with all of those tartarians!

Though in the next patch, which comes out in one week, they will have incurable insanity, and I have it from a good source they will do all kinds of mischief! Making them a double edged sword. Should be interesting.

[Lingchih]

I was in an MP game where one of the biggest players went AI at the height of his power. The AI did not win, but it meant a loss for all of it's neighbors. They could not join the fight against Ermor in that game, because the AI nation kept hitting them in the back, and had to be dealt with.

This game would of course be different. I am Ermor in this game, and am small and mostly harmless.

[vfb]

I'm sorry I'll have to go AI, but I'll be traveling for over a month, and will not have access to dom3. If any of the neighbors of C'tis knows of someone who's willing to take over C'tis rule, please let me know soon.

[vfb]

I have a replacement sub coming in, but I'm not sure who it is! Can this turn be delayed an additional 24 hrs, so I can figure out whether DryaUnda or klagrok is taking over, please.

[Reay]

Sure, I do not mind the 24hr delay.

Is this a temporary sub or is it permanent?

[vfb]

It is whatever the sub wants. If I'm back in a month or two and the sub no longer wants it, I'll take it back in as-is condition with pleasure.

Update: DryaUnda will be taking over the position of C'tis.

[Reay]

You have got to hate it when your armies don't move for some reason?

It divided my army in half and let Pangaea defeat my remaining troops and mages.

Perhaps it was accidental but it has never happened to me before. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Xietor]

Movement bug is very annoying. I find you sometimes have to move the troops to a different province to get them unstuck. I have wasted 3 turns in a row where they would not move before trying to go to the same province.

It is pretty rare, but can be devastatingly when it occurs at a key time.

[Lingchih]

I like the new icon Xietor. The Saints. How apropos.

[cupido2]

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Vanheim is defeated. The world is a bit better.

[Reay]

Pythium has thrown a very large powerful communion based master enslaving army at Tien Chi's former capital and is now besieging Pangaea.

It has 14 Arch Theurgs, 2 Air Queens, 2 Harbingers a Tartarian Cyclops and various troops equipped up to the neck in items.

He has a lot of my poor Bakemono's, now enslaved, fighting for him.

Fortunately my PD/Armies has saved me against the rest of his SC's/Ghost Riders and he only has that one province right now.

If Pythium succeeds in taking some more provinces it will conveniently give him a front right next to C'tis.

I guess it is time for the End Game.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

Pythium can ignore the desperate please for aid no longer and has decided to liberate the besieged capital of Tien Chi from the evil Pangaea forces that are occupying it. While the mighty Shinuyama's demons likely could have done the same, Pythium sees that trade in leadership as not much of an improvement for the poor people of Tien Chi.

Shinuyama should view the arrival of Pythium as liberators.

[Hadrian_II]

Dark clouds are coming up over Pangaea, rampaging golems from shin and dark angels from pythium are ravaging our mainland.

Without a sound the gates of the capital have opened, an endless stream of centaurs, maenads, pans and yesterdays heroes is leaving from it. From the grim looks on the faces you can see that no one expects to survive the coming battle, but on some faces you can also see little smiles as everyone knows, that shinujama will have to suffer to stop the onslaught.

On the other side of the capital you can see another endless stream of everyone not able to fight retreating back to the dark heart of the forest. Even if it looks like Pangaea might have fallen, sometime in the future the children will come out of the forest again and take revenge on the civilization.

[cupido2]

The Stone Oracles of Agartha the Great have long foretold the fall of Pangea. If Pangea would have heard the words of wisdom spoken to them by Agartha, Pangea would be a blooming country. But it chose to go the way of Abysia and Vanheim. It was their free will.

[Tichy]

The Stone Oracles of Agartha believe in free will?!

Have they been debating with the folks at Delphi again?

[cupido2]

There is no such thing as believe as it is all destiny. Pangea chose its fate by its free will but this choice by its free will was foretold and so it is and has always been its destiny.

[Tichy]

Ah, so you guys and Delphi are on the same page here. Just let me know when Pan puts out its own eyes, I've got a grove to the Furies that needs fertilizer... um, I mean, Eriu's kind hospitality will be extended to the blind and exiled pretender.

[Lingchih]

I don't know if anyone is interested in trading gems at this point in the game, but Ermor needs some nature gems. We have earth gems to trade for them. We can do 1.5 to 1, earth for nature. PM me if you are interested.

[cupido2]

Agartha the Great declares war on Ermor. You were warned many times. Agartha the Just will crush you for hurting the earth and mining its gems.

[Lingchih]

Does that mean you are not interested in trading for my earth gems?

[Xox]

I hope to outlast you Pangea. Your just rewards for invading me so long ago. And my own personal victory conditions will then be fulfilled.

xox of (a small kingdom of large people) Jotunheim

[Lingchih]

Earth gems, heh. So small a thing to declare war over, Agartha. As I said before, most of mine fell from the sky. Still, we will fight you if you wish. We fear no nation. Will your vassal Eriu also declare war on us? We have an NAP with their fair nation. If they wish to break it, please tell us now sirs!

[Hadrian_II]

Xox said:
I hope to outlast you Pangea. Your just rewards for invading me so long ago. And my own personal victory conditions will then be fulfilled.



wait and see http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Tichy]

Eriu will not break treaty. We will, however, aggressively defend our borders.

We have no formal treaties with Agartha; we simply refrain from exploiting the earth in ways that the oracle finds offensive. You know, good neighbor stuff, like not letting your dog poop in their yard. And having the oracle right next door is great for finishing the sunday puzzle, you know.

[Lingchih]

We thank you Eriu, we had hoped that you were an honorable neighbor state. We shall certainly not try and go through your lands to meet our new foe. There are, after all, other ways through which we can reach them, without ever touching your lands.

[cupido2]

Dear Ermor, before your barbarian kingdom takes any funny steps against Agartha the Invincible we would like to remind you, that Agartha IS invincible. You might have seen what happend to Abysia, Mictlan, Vanheim and what is now happening to Pangea.

[Lingchih]

Dear Agartha, we did not declare war on you, much the opposite. You declared war on us. For what? Trying to sell a few of the earth gems fallen from the skies?

We do not mine earth gems. What is the use? Death gems are our forte, and those we mine most heartily.

We are willing to call off this war, if you are.

[Xietor]

The populace of Tien Chi has spoken! They are now basking happily in their worship of Panakeia, as evidenced by the strong dominion of Panakeia among the population.

Suicide attacks from Pangaea and Shinuyama do little to affect the tranquility of the population, and accomplish little other than giving valuable battle training(and items) to the Angels who overlook over the City. Some are calling it the City of Angels.

As an aside, how many mages will Pythium have to feeblemind before its enemies realize that pythium is not a race they can mind hunt?

Got to see the Show?

And how many spies will patrols uncover before the nations of the World realize that their spies cannot penetrate the inner sanctum of Pythium's lands? There is nothing to see.
Nothing. Move along, move along.

[Reay]

Hehe, I sent my armies into the wrong territory. After forming them up on Tien Chi's capital I forgot to set them back to move to Pangaea's province. D'oh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lingchih]

Ok, so no one bit on the earth gems. Oh well, no big deal, and it pissed Agartha off anyway, so offer is withdrawn.

But Ermor now offers glossy black death gems for nature gems. What a deal! Get rid of your lackluster nature gems for ultra-useful death gems. Hurry, this offer won't last long.

PM me for details.

[Xietor]

Pythium has so many d gems that they resemble a slag yard.
To what use can they be put again? Perhaps to summon a tartarian with a Shattered Soul? The key question is will a hopelessly insane Tartarian recognize friend from foe? Or will he have any friends at all?

[Baalz]

Whewie, gotta love that. The turn you step in to sub you see a fight where you lose 69/104 mages. Blech! Anyway, I'm running Caelum now, so send any messages my way. And R'yleh is a weenie. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Lingchih]

Wow. Caelum has been through, like 3 players now. That is truly a schizophrenic nation.

Caelum... calling Caelum. This is Ermor. Yes, Ermor. We are at peace. Repeat, we are at peace.

Hope that got through.

[Reay]

I am guessing there was a server reset?

When are we going to go to a 72 hours hosting period for this game? Hopefully around the same time the new mega game gets busy.

[Reay]

Looks like we are on a 72 hosting period already.

A warning to all nations: Pythium is going to take two of my castles very soon. There is a large army of Tartarians and other large HP units rampaging my lands with plenty of High level astral mages. He is casting plenty of Ghost Riders; many Harbingers and other assorted SC's are flying around my lands as well.

As he takes more of my provinces the more he grows in power. If you don't stop him now it will probably be too late.
If you are willing to let him be the winner, so be it.

The Bakemono will never surrender and will die honourably to the last man.

[Xietor]

Actually, we did lose a province to Pangaea last turn(: So it was not all roses and wine.

In fact we have steadily lost all but 2 of the provinces we have taken from Pangaea, as our sc's have not fared well against the sleep vines of the carrion crap.

And I think Ctis, and his allies are still the most powerful block of nations, though it was Shinuyama's unopposed rise to the top of the graphs that forced Pythium to get involved in the first instance.

The bad thing about being Pythium is we are all alone(: No one likes us. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

And those high hp tartarians, i just needed to get them out of my lands before they go insane. If you look closely most are blind, feebleminded, and have other afflictions.

Also, Pythium is quite nervous as there appears to be many warmongering nations surrounding us. On one turn we notice we have caelum as a neighbor, and on the next the Ryleh.

Then even the settled boundaries of the water provinces appear to have changed, unless our memory deserts us.

[lebarjack]

The web summary don't reflect the new hosting period.
I wish it was corrected as there will probably be some stale turns sooner or later.

[Xietor]

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/9e7845eea3312e6d11e0ed0983a8c06f2g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=xtbmxiyieln&thumb=4)

With Machaka, Ulm, and Tien Chi already dead, I would be quite careful with this sort of stuff as Panakeia was not born yesterday, and deals quite harshly with unprovoked attacks.

[Xietor]

Is there a single nation that Shinuyama has not asked to attack the Peaceful People Of Pythium? Folks, take a look at the score graphs. When Pythium attacked Shinuyama the foul demons were far and away the strongest nation.

Pythium's so-called flying forces consist of 3 harbingers. Yes, there are a few s mages, but shinuyama has his own wizards and adepts of the golden order. And we saw how far s mages got poor Arcoscephale, whose peaceful civilization was savaged by Shinuyama.

And yes, Pythium also has 3 gor tartarians in Shin's lands. Other nations have many times the number of gor tartarians that pythium has.

And let us not mourn poor Shinuyama prematurely. He has yet to lose a single fort, and has more provinces, forts and capitals than most of you from whom he is seeking aid.

He can also recruit high hp mages that can cast summon earthpower, then spam banefire at every fort, and he has many national summons that consist of foul demons that throw lightning and fire. Be glad that Pythium has sacrificed many men, and spent many gems to hold this foul menace at bay.

Due to the vast distances that Shin.'s Empire spans, literally hundreds of gems were used to transport troops to remote corners of the globe. Pythium, unlike certain other nations, will not beg for help, but we will not turn away donations from other enlightened nations that do not want to see the Demons rule the Earth.

Pythium-A Name you Trust.

[Reay]

Rulers of the world:

Do not trust the word of the silver tongued leader of the Empire of Pythium.

The Bakemono are nowhere near as powerful as Pythium. I currently have no Tartarians, no SC's and no demons either. I am way behind in research compared to C'tis and Pythium.

My armies and commanders/mages have been decimated by attacks by Pythium and Pangaea as you can see in the graphs.
My Adepts of the Golden Order are now limited in number since being hit by 4 Earth attacks and 3 ghost riders a turn for the past 7+ turns from Pangaea and Pythium. It has also been raining toads in the my 3 main fortresses for 15+ turns.

Pythium currently has 9 Tartarians, an Air Queen, a Harbinger and various other large HP troops beseiging the Tower of the Golden Order (see attached picture) and he will take it next turn. He has 2 other Harbingers and a Tartarian Cyclops rampaging through my other lands. He now has 7 of my former provinces. He master enslaved many of my troops and now he uses them against me.

You can see in the graphs that he is nearly, now, top in all of them. His lies can not be believed.

The Bakemono have been honourable warriors the whole game. Lying is a not an act we respect. We do not ask for help, we are simply asking you: do you want Pythium to win this game?

[cupido2]

What ever you do, Agartha the Great was, is and will be the ruler of this world.

[Xietor]

Reay,

A picture is worth a 1000 words. But it can fail to show certain things. As I stated(truthfully)all but 3 of my tartarians in your lands are just units, they are not commanders. And the flying one is blind! It has a zero attack and defense! The other flying one is feebleminded, and one of the commanders has never healing wound.

Tartarians do have a lot of hps, but with a zero attack/defense they are hardly the be all end all of an endgame dominions 3 army.

You have no demons? What are those units that throw lighting and the little ones that throw fire? National summons to be sure, but the little ones that throw fire i am near certain are demons left over from an earlier era.

Maybe this will refresh your memory:

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/b6e405db3914505eb33c27db83512a252g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=y2elzmvlxdr&thumb=4)

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/f8a31d0a406afcd781e4affb63f684812g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=4ddrzmamtwy&thumb=4)


Pythium is not losing its war with Shin. But neither have we inflicted any lasting damage on Shin to this point. The only castles we have taken have been from Pangaea.

But should Pythium actually gain a foothold on Shin. soil, that fact will not herald the end of the game. It may in fact lessen Shin.'s chances of victory, but Shin. cannot dispute the vast number of gems Pythium has spent in this war. Astral travel is not cheap, and it has been done more than once, ghost riders have been cast, mages have teleported, master enslave, while effective, is not cheap.

Battlefield spells cost gems. I have had an Air Queen with full items killed by Shin., and incurred many other losses.
And have yet to gain a single fort-though that may soon change(who knows). Pythium certainly hopes so.

But nations like Ermor have Well of Misery and tartarians without number. Ctis has 5 times(easily) the number of tartarians of Pythium). And these nations are saving their gems. They are not spending 50 gems a turn in war.

They will have a large say on who wins Fallacy, regardless of whom wins the war between Shin and Pangaea, or Ryleh and Caelum, or Pangaea and Jotunheim.

[Reay]

I do not know where you got those unit info pics from because I have no demons currently in my armies. Anyway how could you see units on the strategic map if they are not your units? They only time you can see other peoples units are when you are watching battles. The background of those pics is the strategic map and not a battle. They are probably in your armies because you enslaved them from me.

I am willing to give my turn files away to an independant person to prove that I have no demons currently in my armies.

Anyway it doesn't matter, but believe me the leader of Pythium is a master of lies.

[Xietor]

There is no deception, or attempt at deception Shinuyama. The foul smoke that rises from the pits in your lands has clearly clouded your wits.

These 2 were obviously enslaved! Their hps, enhanced from GOH, are clearly shown. The point is not that these 2 demons are yours, but that you are summoning them!

Pythium is a wholesome nation of Fighting men, Wise old mages, Priests, and Angels, while Shinuyama is a foul nation of goblins/demons. Maybe Pythium has succeeded in slaying all of Shinuyama's demons. If so, the World truly does owe Pythium a debt of gratitude.[Priest rattles the collection plate].

Though what would stop Shinuyama from summoning more is a question Pythium cannot answer(: Only the complete destruction of Shinuyama would give the World a level of assurance it needs that more demons are not being brought into this plane through the Portal from Hell!

[Reay]

Many other losses? You have gained more troops (70-80 Dai Bakemeno/O'Bakemono)? from me than you have lost. You have lost one air queen that is true, but you have not lost anything of value to me since then.

3 of the Tartarians have one affliction, but they are still brutal with 2 having 640 hp and one having 5s and 2 blood and 2 cyclops with 2A3E. The others are mostly 300+ HP each. Your GOH is serving you well.

How is T'ien Chi's great city going with all those gems and income? You stole it from me after my long battle with the fierce forest beings as I was just about to storm it.

Shinuyama is not a late game power, whereas Pythium is, everyone knows that. Pythium probably has more demons in his armies than I have.

Perhaps we should rattle the plates to get some donations to stop Pythiums Evil Armies of Tartarians?

[Xietor]

OOC

Actually Shinuyama is a very potent late game power. Playing Shin I won a mp game beating some excellent players playing Pythium, Ryleh, Mictlan, and Agartha(tough late as well). While it was an Epic Heroes game, Dr P killed my Epic Hero early in the game so he was not a factor.

Bane Fire can bring down the mightiest sc, and Shin alone has access to mages at every castle that can cast Bane Fire earth attacks(with boosters), ghosts riders(with boosters). Of course all mages need boosters to cast ghost riders and earth attacks.

Shin's mages are sacred, and benefit from an Earth bless, and their high hps make them immune to seeking arrow. They can spam skellies making them immune to earth attacks. And
even 1 shin mage in a province spamming magna eruption can defeat ghost riders x 2.

Shin's summons can also be quite powerful used in combination with other things.

Shin. also has one of the best pd in the game, especially above 20.

[Reay]

Yes, Shin can be reasonable in the end game as you specified.
However Pythium is much more powerful as you are witnessing now.

Protecting against Ghost Riders and Earth Attacks is hard when you are scripting to defend against 2000 naked women and undead.

Your single Ghost Rider attacks are defeating my 30 PD every time unless I have one Sorcerer in the province. Half of my Sorcerers have been killed already in the past 15-20 turns.

Of course my lack of experience in the end game will probably be the deciding factor.

[Lingchih]

Yes, Ermor has some dozens of Tartarians now. We use them to tend the fields, and put down unrest in the provinces. The few that have intact brains, we use to research. We would not say that we have a Tartarian host to field though... most of them are cretins.

[Lingchih]

Wait, did I say I had Tartarians tending the fields? I meant we have barbarians tending the fields. No tartarians at all, nope, none.

[Lingchih]

Yes, mightly Sulpicious, has won the death match, and is now champion of the world.

You guys really need to take those death matches more seriously. Suplicious is blind and feeble minded. I sent him in there to die, but no one else showed up. He has already stabbed himself with the champion's trident, since he can't tell which end is the pointy end.

[DrPraetorious]

Eek! I just accidentally deleted the Caelum turn that had been uploaded http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif.

A thousand apologies, hopefully whoever's playing Caelum right now can upload again (it won't affect the local copy, obviously.)

[Baalz]

No worries, so long as it doesn't host before I get home tonight. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

has this game ended or something? it has been about a week since it has hosted.

[Hadrian_II]

i think the timer has been reset on patching the server.

[Lingchih]

Xietor said:
has this game ended or something? it has been about a week since it has hosted.



It said 30 hours til host when I logged on last night (which was after Velusion patched). Not sure what it says now.

[Lingchih]

Seems as if vfb would take his turn, we could get this ball rolling (no hurry vfb, just wondered if you are still interested in the game).

[Xietor]

Ctis has a sub. Dryunda is now playing Ctis.

On a different note, it looks like there has been a rebellion by one of the Oracle's Vassals!

[Tichy]

Horsies got bored.

[cupido2]

Agartha welcomes the treachery of Eriu.

[Tichy]

Aww, thanks...but please note that we had an informal agreement to cease hostilities to deal with Van, but no formal treaty. Just want to be clear that even bored horsies obey the laws of war.

But...we have been using earth gems THE WHOLE TIME! Mwahahahahack<kaff!>... hahaha. And so forth.

[Reay]

Is this game going back to 72 hours?

If not I might struggle to get my turns in, which means this game goes to Pythium. (who looks like winning either way).

He already has 3 of my fortresses and 2 more besieged. 5+ SC's are scooping up my other provinces.

[Reay]

Oh yeah by the way, Judgement day has come as you can see by the attachments.

Seraph with 3 wishes put into it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Injured.gif

[cupido2]

sry double post

[cupido2]

Agartha the Oblivious forgot the exact pact we had as it was not important enough to be remembered. (Agartha the Oblivous forgot to change commands of the troops in Mictlan too. May they rest in peace.) The only thing that matters is that another earthabuser will face his horrible fate. The statues are on the march.

Pffff Agartha the Humble has stronger creatures as this pityable Seraph in his home for the aged.

[Xietor]

At least Agartha is not afraid of a horror marked Angel with bad equipment!

Just wait a few turns and I am sure a Doom Horror will take care of your troubles for you. If the Seraph was not so badly horror marked, I would have equipped her a bit better!

"which means this game goes to Pythium". Not that I agree with your statement, but what would be so bad about it if it occurred? Pythium is a good race. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Lingchih]

This game goes to Pythium? Odd. I see no Pythium troops in Ermor's land, or in any of my neighbors lands. It is true that we in the south have good relations with our powerful neighbor Pythium. But to give him supremacy over the world? No, we are not ready to do that.

[Xietor]

I think Shinuyama equates his downfall with the end of the game. Certainly Ctis, Ermor, and perhaps even the Ryleh have as good a shot as Pythium at winning this game.

Pythium loses troops every turn, and spends gems every turn. Though we do not feel obligated to post the news for public viewing.

If Shin wanted to give completely accurate reports for last turn, he could say how his mages spammed banefire and gifts from heaven on my trolls and summer lions killing them all.

He would report on killing untold troops with flames from the sky, and diseasing them with leprosy.

And while a Seraph is indeed a SC, harbingers are thugs. So Pythium does not have 5+ sc's running around anyone's land.
Pythium owns 1 and only one seraph, and regrettably he be horror marked(:

But Pythium is winning the war with Shinuyama.

[Reay]

I did not cast Flames from the Sky, that is for sure. Leprosy diseased 25 troops, yay! What about the other 200 troops in my other castle (see attachment).

Oh and that one province I won back last turn, was with 2 mages. Who defeated about 5 summer lions and 10 trolls, yay! Now I just have to get the other 15 provinces you have taken.

Once Pythium owns half the world with double the gems and income of everyone else I can't see anyone beating him. Don't say I didn't warn you.

[Xietor]

hmm, Flames from the Sky cast by a secret admirer? Something to ponder. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

The most impressive thing about that army is that I managed to group all the chill beings together!

[Velusion]

Due to a request I've move the timer of this game to 72 hours. I can reset it again (or move it up) if that isn't desired.

[Lingchih]

My, my. That was ugly. I may need to bow down to Agartha after all. Their forces are mighty.

[cupido2]

Did you doubt the words of the stone oracle of Agartha the Invincible? Helena doubts that you want to feel the wrath of a real Agarthian army... We await your earth gems that "fell from the sky".

[Xietor]

Agartha, at least, fights 2 foes at once without public cries for aid, and he kills a seraph-yes a SC!-with little fanfare.

[cupido2]

That's because Agartha is invincible. And Agartha the Great doesn't need the aid of lesser tribes, it's the lesser tribes and the earth and its gems that needs the aid of Agartha. Every new vassal that joins our ranks on the side of Jotunheim and C'tis is welcomed under the guide of Agartha the Loving.

[Lingchih]

Agartha the Loving? Methinks Agartha the cruel would be a better name. Ermor will never bow to you, even though you have killed two of our mightiest heroes. Yes, we will send you some earth gems... and we know where to put them once we get there. Straight up Helena's fat ....

[Reay]

I repeat, I never asked for aid.

At least I defeated one "thug" this turn. Unfortunately I lost about 7 sorcerers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif.

Enjoy your swine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Xietor]

The troops have to eat! And you know there is nothing like bacon in the morning!

Good job on defense Reay. That Angel, who was in the Hall of Fame since the early wars against Ermor, served Pythium well before his fall last month. And your leprosy actually diseased 40 of my main army last turn. Diseased troops, pigs, dead Angels(:

We knew Shinuyama would put a sizable hole in our armies before the war was done. Now we must regroup and lick our wounds. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Lingchih]

We must defer. Shinuyama has never attacked Ermor, nor has Ermor ever attacked Shin. We may do so in the future, who knows? But as of yet there are no hostilities between us.

Agartha is another story. Agartha needs to die.

[cupido2]

The Alliance of the Weak, formed by Eriu and Ermor, makes Helena smile and weep at the same time. Eriu's siege on Mictlan is broken and more invincible troops are on the way to Werk Erum.
Agartha cruel? Agartha never started a war. It always only defended itself or its vassals. But do what you think you have to do, but if those two poor things that were beaten up by the PD of Agartha the Invincible were really your mightiest heroes then Agartha the Wise suggests you should surrender to Agartha the Glorious at once.

[Lingchih]

Umm, you declared war on us, Agartha. Look back a few posts. We never had anything against you until you declared war. When someone declares war on Ermor, we will respond in kind.

And yes, we lost two prime units to PD. That was very poorly done on our part. But we have so many more to send. And we will send them a bit more intelligently this time.

[Lingchih]

OMG, this game could go on for years. Dominions could use some kind of global end game nuke. I guess BoT could count for that, but I'm not willing to cast it. Most of my troops are living. I think BoT was even outlawed, for this game.

[Reay]

Yes this game could go on for ages, however Shinuyama will probably be going down soon enough. Pythium keeps casting Ghost Riders and I lose many provinces a turn.

I will keep up the fight however. It is just as fun defending as it is attacking (almost http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ).

[Xietor]

That is why it is important to fun in the endgame. Sure it may be a better strategy to win to sit for 2-3 months and build up, but i play the game to have fun mostly, and i enjoy the battles.

Defending is more fun than attacking because it is easier typically. You are fighting in your dominion, near your home base, you do not have to transport troops across the world to get them to battle, and it is much easier to defend catles then to take them.

But we all do not have the luxury of being defenders or the game really will last forever!

BTW, that Ice Devil actually lived a turn longer than I thought he would. I was not happy when i summoned him and I got the one that "though weaker than the others" he does has 2 astral magic." heh. At least he tied and took a mage with him so he was not a total waste.

[Lingchih]

Shin....

Just a suggestion. When you take your turn, maybe you could take your next turn as well? (since you are generally last). I think you are pretty small at this point, and it would speed up the game. I'm not criticizing you, but just trying to speed up the game a bit.

[Reay]

I do try and do as much as I can of the next turn as soon as I finish my turn. Being attacked by Pythium means it takes a long time to set up defense with 15 provinces being attacked each turn.

Fortunately I won't be around for much longer and then you can take on the monstrosity that is Pythium http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Xietor]

reay i have never attacked 15 provinces in 1 turn! lol. 6 or 7, yes. And your demise would go faster if you would not kill my angels and ice devils!

As an aside, i never knew when you mind hunted an uba, they did not die but just shape shifted to cat form. how hokie!

ray and reay-the names sound alike. are you 2 related? ray seems to be determined to pick a fight with me for some reason Pythium cannot understand other than we are at war with a nation owned by a player with a similar name. heh.

[cupido2]

Agartha the Great is proud to announce several victories at once. Several military victories over Eriu and a moral victory over Ermor. Agartha the Restrainted, though capable of, doesn't join the folly of summoning the banned false gods of the Tartarus. Those foul beasts are the weapon of the weak of will and honor. We will send it and his companions back where it came from and suggest you take your ally Eriu as an example of how a man/women/beast/well/undead fights.

[Lingchih]

We are not sure where Agartha's moral victory over us occurred, since we wiped out the province we attacked with hardly any losses. Oh, and they were so happy to be liberated from your yoke, that they gave us 200gp!

And if you are suggesting that we are dishonorable because we use Tartarians... well, there was one in that battle. He was feebleminded and guarding a commander. Not exactly much of an influence. The rest are back home pillaging my own lands. Now, which councillor was it that suggested we summon those things? We think he needs one less head.

-The Council of Ermor

[Reay]

Hey! Don't pick on us Reays http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif.

Well I lost about 8 mages to assassination rituals that turn. 3 Ashen Angels and 4 Earth Attacks, 2 Fires from Afar, 1 Mind Hunt and 1 failed Vengeance of the Dead. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Injured.gif

My Golem didn't cast returning even though it had 4 astral gems and then got magic dueled grr..

The Uba you mind hunted was muted. So it looks like it took a lot of damage but its second form saved it.

The former capital of Ulm and Tien Chi are now in Pythium's hands.

[Xietor]

I can only lay claim to 2 earth attacks and was the victim of earth attacks myself(: Either Man is killing you with poor targeting or Pangaea is, and is scooping me in as well.

Tien Chi has been in my hands for a long time, and I took that from Pangaea, but the citizens were ready to revolt anyway and were clamoring for new leadership.

Ulm was the 1st capital liberated from Shinuyama. Obviously Ulm was not originally part of the Shinuyama Empire! Imagime the terror of the Ulmish people when their city fell to a pack of Demons. Imagine their joy to be liberated by Angels! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[cupido2]

Agartha the One that loses Patience isn't pleased to read things like "earth attack". You are warned a last time!

[Xietor]

Pythium was forced to use "all means necessary" to liberate the enslaved citizens of Ulm, including causing 2 earth elementals to rise from the earth to destroy foul demons.

Panakeia, the Mother of Nature, is attuned to all living things, and while she claims no dominion over the Earth, was sure the Earth would understand such a limited use of her magic for such a noble cause!

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/dbd1ead3db0a746ab56e411843e5399a2g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=csyydmym21j&thumb=4)

Here we observe a vile witch, who in her last moments, turned into a serpent! We can also see that Shinuyama has been engaging in mass clamming, making him a dangerous longterm adversary.

[Reay]

Mass clamming? What like 15? Come on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.
You just defeated my only clammer anyway.

I am sure you are enjoying all the gems from my lands.
What ever happened to the seraph with 3 wishes in it? I am sure you are not clamming either http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif.

[Xietor]

Eater of Dead killed it(:

[Lingchih]

Who is playing Caelum now? I can't keep track of them, and I need to send a message.

[Xietor]

Dr P took them over last turn. But it IS hard to keep track of who is playing caelum.

[Reay]

Hmm strange the battle report said I lost 11 mages out of 13, but then I saw at least 5 or 6 flee from the battle with Pythium. I can't see them on the strategic map.

Why is there a difference between the actual result and the battle movie? Or am I missing something Xietor?

[Xietor]

Sometimes what you watch is just wrong. rarely, i have watched my forces win a clear victory on the replay, but have actually suffered a terrible defeat. And that is a bug that is rare, but unsolved from Dom II days. To be precise, I observed it in alpaca and epic heroes I, and it was much worse. Those games were both on Llamaserver. But the host has nothing to do with it.

Those battles were both much much worse than losing retreating mages. In both of those cases, whole victorious armies were missing and the province was lost. As well as many mages dead etc. And yet both players replay showed the opposite thing happening on their replay.

Here my replay shows some mages escaping as well. My mages are casting soul slay and it is possible, since your mages are large size, maybe 1 got targeted. But to be honest I am not sure.

I only recovered 2 items, which is certainly not what would be expected had you lost 9 mages, given the number of commanders i had there with full slots open.

But I am not sure that is what occurred here, hoewever. There was not a whole fictional battle that was on the replay, but only some mages that were retreating that looked to have escaped, but the message shows as died in battle.

Not that I am making light of losing mages and items, which is a terrible blow. I am just saying I am not sure your issue is related to the battle replay bug.

[Lingchih]

What Xietor means is that the Gods of Dominions are displeased with you Reay, and have decided to send you false reports of battles.

[Xietor]

Saw this post recently in the manatee thread. And that is from llamaserver. Again, not sure if the retreating mage issue is related or not, but this bug used to be exceedingly rare.

If it is becoming more common, then maybe the recent patch may have to be looked at:

Quote:
Falkor said:
Someone has got a scout in West Midden (#61), maybe?
If yes, could you tell me what did you see in battle replay?
My battle replay shows clear win of my Jarl against 3 Rudras and one Siddha of Kailasa, but battle report and acctual after-battle situation shows a win of Kailasan forces.
Something is bugged here.
Yandav, what shows your battle replay?



No scouting of the province but an adjacent scout sees it changing control to Kailasa.

I think you're victim of the known bug that once in a while the battle replay doesn't match what happened.

[Reay]

Yeah, I think I have had it happen earlier in the game too. Not sure if it was with the most recent patch.

Should I post something on the bug thread?

[Xietor]

up to you. it is a known bug i think. But it can't hurt to post it.

[Xietor]

It seems we are entering the end of days as that term was used in biblical times. Plagues and locusts have descended upon the land.

Fortunately, wights, ghosts, tartarians, angels, and lifeless constructs are not overly dependent on gold or supplies.

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[Tichy]

Whatever Agartha the Brittle does next he must do without the Kin Breaker, whose performance in his attempt to break Eriu's siege of Mictlan suggests he was named appropriately. My dead horsies party all night in the afterworld at the news.

[Lingchih]

Tichy said:
Whatever Agartha the Brittle does next he must do without the Kin Breaker, whose performance in his attempt to break Eriu's siege of Mictlan suggests he was named appropriately. My dead horsies party all night in the afterworld at the news.



Indeed. I wonder why he did not run when the order was given to retreat?

[Lingchih]

And all nations can resume using Earth gems as much as you like. Agartha barks loudly, but he has no teeth.

[cupido2]

At last the curse has been broken and the Oracle has been blinded. All hail Eriu, the savior! The lands of Agartha awaits his new ruler!

[Tichy]

Ummm....You're welcome?

[cupido2]

Eriu has proven that the stone oracle was lying to the people! The followers lose their faith in the oracles and their accursed statues quickly and already some riots broke out in the countryside.

[DrPraetorious]

I tried to log in and take my turn, but could not do so http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Might be some kinda firewall thing as I'm at my parents, or maybe the server is down?

[Lingchih]

Yes, the server appears to be down. You should message Velusion.

[Xietor]

i sent Velusion a message, but he did not respond. So he may be out of town, or not checking the dominions forum as much anymore since he stopped playing.

[Xietor]

Server is back up. Do your turns! My goal is to finish this game before the New Year!

[Lingchih]

Which new year? 2009 or 2010?

[Lingchih]

Ermor now controls all of the formerly southern Agartha. We have re-named the area Coastline of the Dead. Catchy, eh?

And as for Agartha... we tire of warring with you. Surrender to us now, and become my vassal state, and we will let you keep your remaining lands.

-The Council of Ermor

[cupido2]

Save us God of Eriu, Slayer of the Stone Oracles! Save us God of Ermor, liberator of the south! The Deep One's are starting to butcher the poor peasants of their lands!

-Prayer of a peasant in an Agarthian province (just before he, his familiy, his bogbeast-farm and his kittens got slayed by his own statue of Helena that suddenly came to life.)

[Lingchih]

The war between Agartha and Ermor is ended. The lesson has been taught, and we take no joy from slaughtering their peasants. I believe they want to surrender to Eriu. So be it. Eriu, they are yours.

-The Council of Ermor

[cupido2]

Agartha the Cruel will never bow to anyone! See the glory of Agartha! We will teach all lesser tribes a lesson and every member of the underground resistance, the ones who robbed our gems in the cave city, sabotaged our labs, have stolen the magic items out of our armory, will meet their cruel end! We will pillage your pesky villages and sacrifice your offsprings to Helena the Only One!

[Reay]

I have posted on the bug thread that Xietor and I have been having inconsistent battle replays.

Have you other guys noticed any mismatches with your battle replays and the reports? If so, what OS are you running?

Xietor, I assume you and I are both on Windows?

[Xietor]

OS and different versions of Dominions on the host computer and the players has nothing to do with it. It may have had a role in other replay issues, but never in one that i was a party to.

In fact, in Alpaca, Llamabeast did an extensive examination to try to discover the cause of the replay bug as it affected him in that game, but to no avail. And he eliminated such things as different versions and os.

The problem lies elsewhere. But it used to be exceedingly rare. I have had long games go by and never had it occur even one time. To see it happen twice in a row, then see it on the manatee thread also, makes me worry a bit about the new patch having triggered something.

BTW, of course i use windows. windows xp to be precise.

[cupido2]

Agartha the One that Knows all of course knows what causes this bug. If you surrender to Agartha the Glorious, Helena the Wise might give you a hint.

[Lingchih]

I've never seen the problem. All my battle replays have been accurate. I am also on windows xp.

[Xietor]

Not that there is any good time for the bug to occur, but at least this war is really decided. All that remains to be determined is the final price of it.

But Reay and I have had many bettles and it is strange only the last 2 have been bugged. But again, it was only of several that occur every turn between us.

[Lingchih]

You also had a manifestation of this bug when one of your scouts in a province did not see a battle between Agartha and I, although the battle clearly occurred. I think there may well be a problem here.

[Lingchih]

Lingchih said:
The war between Agartha and Ermor is ended. The lesson has been taught, and we take no joy from slaughtering their peasants. I believe they want to surrender to Eriu. So be it. Eriu, they are yours.

-The Council of Ermor



Sadly, the masters of coin of Ermor have informed the council that we cannot support such a large war force without taking further provinces. Our war leaders had truly wanted to end the war with Agartha, but it seems it must continue, lest we go broke. But let the citizens of Agartha know that we will not treat them unjustly.

-The Council of Ermor

[Xietor]

No battle replay bugs that turn! And the evil reay is dead(though immortals do not really die in their own dominion). But he is naked and has 3 afflictions, is cursed, and is likely one scared Pretender.

[Reay]

Oops forgot to do my turn. Poor Reay died whilst I was sleeping. Perhaps it was all just a replay bug and I am just dreaming! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Lingchih]

Server seems to be down again.

[cupido2]

Yes, seems that some evil trick of Ermor downed the server to stall Agartha the Great's march to victory.

[Xietor]

I was hoping to do one more turn before heading of on vacation, but I guess my sub will have to try and make heads and tails of this mess.

Happy 4th of July!

[Lingchih]

I just got an email from Velusion. Apparently his server is crashed, and he does not want to spend the time/money to fix it.

Anyway, if you guys want to continue the game, he sent me a zip file with the latest turn files and such. We would need to find a new host, though.

[llamabeast]

I'm happy to host if you like. Would be PBEM of course, so if people aren't so keen on that you could wait a few days for Gandalf's server to get fixed, I imagine he'd be happy to help out.

[Lingchih]

Thanks llama. It was a network game before, so it might be be best to wait for Gandalf. I've been playing a few games now on your server though, and it is quite nice, even though PBEM.

I think there were only a handful of people still actively playing this game, so we might just call it a draw and put it to bed. Late game ennui had set in.

[Lingchih]

Gandalf has graciously volunteered to host the game on his older server. lch also volunteered to host on his new server, so if the game ends up being too big for Gandalf's, we can probably use lch's.

Thanks very much everyone.

[Lingchih]

Ok, the game is back up and running on Gandalf's server. The new address is:

game.dom3minions.com
port: 10375

It is set on 72 hour host, with 72 hours till the next hosting.

This game should be considered a test for the next few turns, until everyone is satisfied that it is playing correctly. Gandalf will also be setting up a status page for it in the next few days.

[Lingchih]

Well, don't everyone thank me and Gandalf at once. Geez, the late game ennui in this game is abhorrent.

[cupido2]

Agartha the Great thanks Gandalf and the enemy Ermor for letting the world come to life again. We send you these token of Helena's gratitiude:

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[Lingchih]

I'll take the two hamburgers and two beers. Gandalf, you can have the rest.

[Hadrian_II]

I cant connect to the new server, is there some problem?