NewbsWithLowSelfEsteem - Year 8: A Dance with Illithids

[bbz]

to be honest with 48 hrs a turn its hard to stall unless there is some rl reason

[lwarmonger]

You know, come to think of it, my dark templars should just feed on one another. That seems to be fitting in with Late Ulmish backstory. Sacrifice one or two a turn so that the other 30 might live! And as they become undead as a result they stop needing food.

[DarkAvenger211]

Yeah, seems I need the gold now.

Everyone's already ganging up on me :P

[Peacekeeper]

Yeah, seems I need the gold now.

Everyone's already ganging up on me :P

that tends to happen with LA Ermor and Ryleh.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Yeah, people tend not to like being drowned in thousands of undead chaff later in the game. Look at it this way, it'll save you having to do all that late game micromanagement. :)

[Thanatus del Dragos]

to be honest with 48 hrs a turn its hard to stall unless there is some rl reason

Well, I just meant that last turn, the Niefel Giants were the last to take their turn...and they are going to be the last to take their turn this time. I just think that anyone who is last to take a turn, should be the first to take the next turn, just moves things along quicker.

[Peacekeeper]

did he play his last turn or just stale?

[lwarmonger]

did he play his last turn or just stale?

He played his last turn, he just didn't wait the 30 seconds needed to play his next one.

[Soyweiser]

Well, he did take a lot of time playing his last turn. So I think his turns just take a lot of time. Perhaps his empire is huge. Dunno. My turns are taking less and less time :).

[Peacekeeper]

Well, he did take a lot of time playing his last turn. So I think his turns just take a lot of time. Perhaps his empire is huge. Dunno. My turns are taking less and less time :).

his empire is getting smaller turn by turn.

[bbz]

to be honest with 48 hrs a turn its hard to stall unless there is some rl reason

Well, I just meant that last turn, the Niefel Giants were the last to take their turn...and they are going to be the last to take their turn this time. I just think that anyone who is last to take a turn, should be the first to take the next turn, just moves things along quicker.

Yea fair enough, I agree with that. I was just saying that he might have some rl reasons, (and even if he does, you probably are still right since it doesnt take that long to take the next turn and he's gonna have more time doing some other stuff till the end of that turn comes)

[Thanatus del Dragos]

I'm having trouble connecting to this game now, every time I try, the game freezes. I don't have that problem when connecting to the other game I am playing on Gandalfs server. Anyone else?

[Soyweiser]

I'm having trouble connecting to this game now, every time I try, the game freezes. I don't have that problem when connecting to the other game I am playing on Gandalfs server. Anyone else?

Same here, but this is the only game on Gandalfs server I play.

[bbz]

+ 1 but the other games are fine

[NaivePhilosopher]

I'm having this problem, and it was around for awhile in the other Newb game. The workaround seems to be to wait for it to hang, forcibly shut it down, and try again. You might need 2 or 3 tries but it should work.

[iRFNA]

This happened on NewbsGoneWild and was fixed by gandalf simply restarting the server. Sent an email requesting that.

As a side effect, the turn timer will get reset back to 48 hours.

[Finalgenesis]

same...

I haven't managed to connect after 5-6 tries and I have to go. I might not get another chance to do dom turns for the next 36 hours... Can we extend the turn so I can resolve this issue?

[iRFNA]

Well, torgon still hasn't submitted his turn. And the timer is extended by at least 48 hours already since gandalf restarted the server. That didn't, however, fix the problem this time. Gandalf is looking into it.

[iRFNA]

Problem solved, the timer is reset to 48 hours as of now.

[Soyweiser]

Is the nief player still playing?

[Finalgenesis]

Admin should probably check for pulse.

Did I hear someone mention that Niefel is losing somewhere? *sigh*

Btw, thanks for the excellent admin work iRFNA.

[iRFNA]

Hmm, he last logged on to the forums 3 days ago. Not a good sign. He may be suffering some set backs at the moment, but he's anything but defeated. Perhaps pythium's hydras were sufficient to break his morale, though...

Did a little detective work, and he's still active in NeophytesDelight. Or at least he has a turn for that game currently submitted.

I'll give him more time to reappear before doing anything drastic.

[NaivePhilosopher]

In my limited experience, hydras are an excellent way to break player morale. Gogo mobile regenerating clouds of poison!

Also echoing Finalgenesis' comment, great work on the admin'ing iRFNA

[iRFNA]

Most of the credit goes to gandalf, my job is to pester him. Also, your damn mind hunting is more of a morale breaker than hydras. :(

[NaivePhilosopher]

I wasn't referring to you there, I was talking about Vanheim. You've pretty much got my hydra's number to the point where I'm not even bringing them to the front anymore.

[iRFNA]

There's a potential problem for people who haven't gotten any versions of the CBM before 1.82 that had the EDM integrated and haven't downloaded the EDM. CBM 1.82 doesn't include the graphics for the integrated EDM mod, so summoning those late game dudes is gonna make you all crashy. If you haven't gotten any CBMs from 1.7-1.81, grab the EDM (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10238&d=1277840680) just in case! You don't need to activate it or anything, just put it in your mods dir so you get the sprites.

[Peacekeeper]

still no sign of Torgon?

[iRFNA]

Nope. I hate the waiting, but I'm going to give him until tomorrow to show up, then start looking for a sub.

[bbz]

yea probably the best think to do ,still if he wanted to take his turn he would have shown by now.

[lwarmonger]

Attack of the dead is an apt name for year 2. Ermor certainly has enough of them. Although without your PoD I'm pretty sure I could cut through them all. Never the less, I'm glad I didn't try and fight you straight up. Which of the dogs will kill the bear first?

[Admiral_Aorta]

Hmm, I wonder where all those demon monkeys have gone? Hiding inside your fort perhaps?

[iRFNA]

Well, torgon hasn't given up quite yet...

[Soyweiser]

Hmm, I wonder where all those demon monkeys have gone? Hiding inside your fort perhaps?

So far I lost most of my demon monkeys to indies actually. I tried a bless that worked pretty well in sp games. Somehow not so much in mp. Guess I ****ed up somewhere.

[iRFNA]

Don't forget to do your turn, Silence0!

[Soyweiser]

Where is your sieging army now Admiral Aorta?

[Finalgenesis]

why, are the fiery folks fertilizing the fields of Lanka with demonic monkey additive?

[Admiral_Aorta]

My army haven't gone far, they'll be back soon enough. And yes, demon blood is very good for fertilising crops. :)

[iRFNA]

Toorgonnnnnnn

[Finalgenesis]

Toooorgoooonnnnnnnnnn

[bbz]

Toooorgooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooonnnnnnnnnn

[Admiral_Aorta]

Little known fact: Torgon is actually a galapagos giant tortoise.

[bbz]

Has anyone talked to him?

[iRFNA]

I sent him a PM, but it has yet to get a response. I'll probably have to look for a sub soon unless something changes.

[bbz]

yep:S

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Boo to slow players. Yea, I went there, Boo!

[Finalgenesis]

Well he was logged onto forum sometime midway through that last game turn.

I presume he staled that turn, as there's no communication/post from when he's logged on nor taking his turn, and this isn't the first time. I'd say it looks pretty bad and we should just shoot for a sub if there's no reply to your pm for another day.

I really am tired of playing coy and playing polite to players obviously lacking a molecule of consideration, I seem to run into 1 or 2 every MP game. Past a certain point its up to the possible culprit to prove their innocence, not us having to play PC until proven beyond a doubt.

So Torgon, prove me wrong! You're not an ahole lacking a single molecule of consideration, are you?

[bbz]

Thats a bit harsh, but yea I'd say go for the sub or we might keep on seeing 48 hrs turns + him staling.

[Finalgenesis]

Na not really, that's 13 other human players he's holding up, what's harsh is him not taking even 15 seconds to make a post or pm admin (even if just to say he still plans to play but is busy with real life stuff, rather then leave us hanging and in limbo) especially when his profile showed him to be logged onto forum last turn, it's been ongoing for 3-4 turns and we have made polite comments and inquiries to no avail.

Why won't some people spend even 15 seconds to clarify the situation for other human players? Because they are aholes without a molecule of consideration, in fact I consider them going out of their way to ruin a game, these aholes should never be allowed in any MP game and I make an effort to look through all the new recruiting MP games and pm admin if I notice known scums to make sure these scums don't make it into a game where normal players try to have fun and infect it.

Now we haven't gotten to the point where Torgon is confirmed to be one of these creatures, from my past experience it's only 50/50 at this juncture, and at this point it's up to him to prove he's not one of them, not for us to play nice and coddle him.

All I ask is 1 molecule of consideration of players joining a MP game, but unfortunately the anonymous nature of internet brings out the true scumbag hiding just beneath the skin of some folks.

I will end by quoting our excellent host iRFNA to put things in perspective:
"If you want to quit mid-game for whatever reason, please allow me to find a sub! Just post and say you're done! Having someone stale out or spontaneously go AI really sucks! It's ok if you're losing and want to quit, just say so in this thread and let me find a sub!!!"

[bbz]

Well Im still new to thes forum and I guess thats why I have bigger thrust in people. Mb he couldn't PM or sth. If he actually posted some other comment somewhere I'd agree with you.:)

[iRFNA]

Well, I'm not going to have niefelheim stale another turn. If it starts to look like he's gonna do it again, which it already is starting to, then I'm going to have gandalf kill the timer and find a sub. I'll still give him today to reappear.

[DarkAvenger211]

Does anyone know if I log in on another computer to check if the round started again, and it hansn't, do I have to play my turn again?

What I mean is when I log onto a different computer, it obviously doesn't have my saved moves on my other computer. So when I click to do my turn I have to start over.

But do I have to do this if I only check to see if it's my turn or not? As in just look at the starting screen with the flags, and not actually hit play turn?

I ask this because I check periodically on my laptop to see if the round played through, but if it hasn't and I previously played that turn on my desktop, I feel like I need to redo my turn because it will upload a turn in which I did nothing.

Does anyone know what I mean here?

[Finalgenesis]

you'll be okay as long as you delete your .2h file in the corresponding game file within your save game folder.

So if you're checking with a laptop after already submitted a turn on your desktop, make sure there's no .2h file inside the "newbswithlowselfesteem" file on your laptop before you connect to server.

For reference, .trn is the turn data while .2h is the move data (moves you made), which the server scans for to upload if it exist.

[Soyweiser]

I understand, but don't know.

[NaivePhilosopher]

I'm not sure whether or not you'd have to redo your turn, but to avoid the confusion in the future Gandalf recently put up an excellent page here: http://game.dom3minions.com/bin/privategames.cgi

Just go to that page on your laptop and look up the game name.

[bbz]

I dont understand Torgon hes here now and submitted his turn did he reply to you message iRFNA?

[iRFNA]

Not yet...

[Soyweiser]

Good luck trying to get in Abysia. I have at least 250 points of def there. And a lot more next turn. I will lose this game. But you will never defile the halls of Lanka! Got to love those ghouls.

Anybody willing to trade a +50 supplies item? That way I am set for a long time.

[lwarmonger]

If I had a +50 supplies item I would be using it to crush Ermor... I think this is going to have to be a team effort guys. Between the supply problems, the Prince of Death and the clouds of undead chaff, he's too tough for us to take down alone.

[Soyweiser]

I stopped attacking Ermor actually. Blame Abysia. I tell him Ermor is next to my lands, and he declares war.

Ermor I hope you win! :D

[lwarmonger]

Ermor is very thoroughly contained given everyone's hostility towards him... finishing him off is going to be a real bastard though.

[iRFNA]

Well, just hold him off until he burns all his freespawns. Put him in a box, if you will.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Good luck trying to get in Abysia. I have at least 250 points of def there. And a lot more next turn. I will lose this game. But you will never defile the halls of Lanka! Got to love those ghouls.
Fortunately, I don't need to actually attack to beat you. I may end up fighting ermor once I'm done with Lanka. I'll see.

[lwarmonger]

Don't get me wrong, the only territory I can conceivably lose to him is territory that is already empty of people... it's just that the bulk of his spawning grounds have me crossing some very empty terrain, so I'm starving should I try and conquer it. Ryleh on the other hand can take those territories continually if they try..

[Finalgenesis]

Fishies are people too, and they starve just like land lubbers.

I view Ermor as a land problem that should be taken care of by land nations, with water combat penalty sufficient barrier to Ermor we're happy to watch from the side while preaching out their nasty dominion.

Your continuing attempt to instigate events between us and Ermor has been well noted.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Seems like the best things to use would be constructs, undead or demons that don't need to eat. Just hold the line until then I guess.

[Soyweiser]

Well, you do understand that all my mages can also preach right? And if you start preaching at my cap I might have a few surprises for you left. All those lovely cap only flying demonbred.

[lwarmonger]

Fishies are people too, and they starve just like land lubbers.

I view Ermor as a land problem that should be taken care of by land nations, with water combat penalty sufficient barrier to Ermor we're happy to watch from the side while preaching out their nasty dominion.

Your continuing attempt to instigate events between us and Ermor has been well noted.

Who needs to instigate? You attacked him before I did. I'm just trying to make sure that we crush a problem before it becomes a bigger problem.

I agree that undead are the way to go in this instance... however early on for Ulm it is leadership for them that is the crunch. Alone I can't do anything other than containment. With a partner or two, we could crush the undead hordes without too much difficulty.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Less preaching and more blood sacrificing actually.

[iRFNA]

Waiting for Torgon
Is to endure the winter
When will summer come?

[Admiral_Aorta]

You'd think he'd at least have the decency to post in this thread and explain why he's late all the time.

[lwarmonger]

Especially since he is always the last one to take his turn... you'd think he'd have the courtesy to take his next one immediately afterwards so at least we'd only have to wait for him once every other turn instead of every single turn.

[Finalgenesis]

I vote for reciprocation, swap him out for a sub now, otherwise he'll just play the line out to achieve maximum grief. We've given him every chance to elaborate but it's pretty clear what he's after at this point.

Etiquette to the polite is etiquette.
Etiquette to the guy ****ing with you is ****ing yourself.

[Soyweiser]

Well swapping him out without talking to him is just rude. Did he reply to any message yet?

[iRFNA]

No, he hasn't replied to anything yet. He also hasn't been logging into the forums, but if he's griefing as finalgenesis suspects, then he could easily log out and view the forums anonymously.

[Soyweiser]

I have send him a ingame message and a pm.

[iRFNA]

But are we willing to let him stale again? He's going to get eaten by me and pythium pretty quickly at this rate, which isn't really fair.

[Soyweiser]

Did he stale the last few turns then? I thought he still played his turn, but always took at least the max amount of time. If he is staling, just find a sub.

[iRFNA]

He didn't stale the last turn, but he did stale the turn before. Looks like he's going to stale this turn.

[Finalgenesis]

Well swapping him out without talking to him is just rude.

We talked, a lot, he was even logged onto forum a few days back when we were politely asking for status(in thread and pm).

It's not possible to be polite to someone who is rude, it's called weakness.

We've made more then reasonable queries, the time for more talk is well past, it's time cure this infection before it gets worst.

[iRFNA]

I've asked gandalf to kill the timer for now while I decide on the next course of action. I'm stuck in a limbo that could accurately be described as between soyweiser's and finalgenesis's opinions on the matter. I really hate to sub someone out when they are still "playing", but on the other hand it is possible he's simply griefing at this point. Or maybe he isn't griefing and this has just snowballed over time with us asking him to play and him avoiding the forums more and blah blah. I honestly can't tell which it is, but I do know (from experience tehe) that a good griefer never leaves the zone of plausible deniability.

[Soyweiser]

Yeah, I'm also worried he is in the snowball category. Esp as a lot of dom3 players can be rather, serious about the game.

Play your turn! It is serious business!

[iRFNA]

Ya, that's why I'm very reluctant to just sub him out, as in a way that'd possibly be victimizing him even more. It can suck when you plan out some strat for dom over a long period of time, with visions of strategic glory, the lamentations of women, etc. dancing through your head, then things fall apart on liftoff. Throw in the pressure on someone who is fairly new, and it makes them pull away more. Which adds more pressure. Then things start to get hostile, then he disappears for good.

Torgon, just play, it's fine!

[bbz]

check if he played his turn in the other game. If he has and has read your message then sub him out if he hadn't replied

[Samhain]

I'm stuck in a limbo that could accurately be described as between soyweiser's and finalgenesis's opinions on the matter.

Share the burden of the decision by going democratic; put it up to a vote. My vote is to find a sub and get on with the game. If Torgon wants to clear his name, he can do so in another game.

[bbz]

+ 1

[iRFNA]

Sounds good, vote away. The Crippled God just arrived, so I can wait a bit.

[Soyweiser]

Sounds good, vote away. The Crippled God just arrived, so I can wait a bit.

The Crippled what? Is this some sort of slang for your period?

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Hate to be a jerk about it, but waiting drives me crazy. I understand things in real life making you take a long turn every now and then, but this is too much for me. I vote to replace.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Sounds good, vote away. The Crippled God just arrived, so I can wait a bit.

The Crippled what? Is this some sort of slang for your period?

That one was a bit of a stretch :rolleyes:

My vote is to wait. I get the feeling that's a bit unpopular, I know, but I don't want to turn a newbie game into a mob to chase out a potentially put-upon newb as well. In any case, if he doesn't have the courtesy to respond to PMs or ingame message or something in the near future, though, that's another thing entirely.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I'm inclined to wait, even though I'd like to get on with the game. Torgon, if you're reading this, then post here! Do something!

[Peacekeeper]

But are we willing to let him stale again? He's going to get eaten by me and pythium pretty quickly at this rate, which isn't really fair.

wait are we working together now? you never gave me an answer!

[iRFNA]

Well, you'd be eating him regardless of any alliances, now wouldn't you?

[Peacekeeper]

id be eating him exclusively with one.

[bbz]

So, how long do we wait for?

[Hylobius]

If he is consistently staling and not responding to messages then find a sub. If he has only missed a turn or two and usually waits until the deadline then he should stay in.

[iRFNA]

That's just it, this would have been his second stale. The majority is getting quite impatient though, for good reason. I'll give him a few more hours then ask for a sub, in my limited experience a sub usually materializes quite quickly.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Can you just set him to AI?

[bbz]

If he is about to be eaten anyways, or just let some of our game use it so that it can damage hes neighbours mostly(so that they can pay for their territories)

[Samhain]

Considering that it is a giant nation in the early game with little territory and few options I doubt it would make much of a difference if you just set him to AI.

[iRFNA]

If the majority wants it. I think he's pretty badly broken, but pythium would know better than I do.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

I'll take the ring to Mordor!

Wait, what are we talking about? What game is this? I haven't take a turn in so long, I can barely remember who I was playing...I vaguely remember large, fat men all naked except for wearing capes...or maybe I am just remembering my terrible childhood.

Anyways, I vote AI! AI! AI!

[iRFNA]

I will help you bear this burden, for as long as you are a bear.

[bbz]

Ok I vote AI aswell

edit: sub has been found rejoice!!!

[SirMu]

I can't resist a chance to play as my favorite nation. ;)

[iRFNA]

Alright, PMed you the info. Thanks!

[SirMu]

How do you submit the turn once you've played it? I've never used Gandalf's server before.

[Soyweiser]

End turn, then it goes automagically.

[lwarmonger]

Those Lankan demons are surprisingly effective given that they only have claws... when I first started watching that battle I thought that Admiral Aorta's demonbreds were going to win out.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I would have liked my demonbreds to win too. :(

[SirMu]

Apparently my last turn's 2h file was corrupt?

[iRFNA]

What? What did it say?

Do you have all the proper mods?

[SirMu]

Corrupt 2h file
Your 2h file containing all your orders was corrupted. Your orders have not been executed.

[Soyweiser]

I cannot connect. I'm in an eternal waiting for game info loop.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

I had some connecting issues, just like before. I would try, it would freeze, I would shut it down and try again and it would work.

[Soyweiser]

Odd, it only loads when it is the first game I play.

And yes those naked demons are strong, two att 13 str 19 attacks.

http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Rakshasa

One of the attractions of playing Lanka is the crazy good blood summons. But I tried a creative bless strategy and that way I totally borked my expansion phase. (6 provinces in turn 12, and I lost a mage every other turn due to indies. It worked in SP! :D). And currently my dominion is rushing of the board in an alarming rate, So I'm just trying to go for max damage. Killing 20+ mages is a good way to do damage. taxes at 200% for a few turns also decreases the value of your own lands. Scorced earth!

Sorry Abysia. You should not have broken the nap, and just blood sacd me to death.

The warriors are even better:
http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Rakshasa_Warrior

But I will not reach high enough research level so summon those.

(And god damn it, buy pd you idiots, always buy at least one. They information you get about the enemy army is worth the 1 gold. And it stops scouts from cheaply attacking and getting your lands. /me looks at LA_ermor, I mean you!).

[Finalgenesis]

I suffer the same phenomenon, but I could connect after a try or 2 this time around.

[iRFNA]

I noticed the problem last night and emailed gandalf about it. I just connected and the timer is at 48 hours, so the problem should be gone.

[SirMu]

I was having the same problem, but I thought it was just me; glad that it's working now.

[iRFNA]

Is anyone still getting that hang on waiting for game info? I just got it once, not sure if it was a fluke.

[Samhain]

I failed on my first attempt. I actually had to kill -9 dom3 to make it go away. It succeeded on the second though.

[bbz]

Try retyping dom3minions.com and the port address. It worked for me after I couldnt join 3 consecutive times

[Peacekeeper]

Pythium looking to trade Nature gems for Death, Water, Fire or Air gems! Let me know by PM!

[lwarmonger]

The army of the undead has been unleashed. Nations of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your lives... and your souls... and the use of your rotting bodies after you die... really, you probably have quite a lot to lose. UNITE!

[Hylobius]

I can't get in to the game. It locks up on the way in and retyping the information does not help.

[iRFNA]

Retyping doesn't do anything, when that happens I crash it, restart, try again. Eventually it works... I'll email gandalf again about this

[bbz]

yea I was wrong about retyping. It just happened to be the time when it let me in so I thought that could be the reason.

[iRFNA]

Try now, hylobius

[Hylobius]

It worked this time, turn is in.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Looks like Fomoria is challenging Ryleh's rule of the oceans.

[bbz]

I declare that LA Ermor has been broken his oath of NAP 3 with us and initiated an unannounced attack on our land!!
Henceforth no agreement need be kept with this oath breaker.

[DarkAvenger211]

I'm gonna be perfectly honest here. I thought bbm was another nation :P

[lwarmonger]

Nice. All you have to do is check the title screen to see who you are dealing with and what nation they represent.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Is niefelheim doomed to stale no matter who controls it? Find out in 3 hours!

[bbz]

yea that guy submitted his turn in the other game. But I cant say about his intention

[lwarmonger]

Scratch one blood fountain. Imps? I take it research isn't all it could be?

[Admiral_Aorta]

Yeah, attacking you was pretty much the worst thing I could have done. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. :(

[Soyweiser]

What the hell was that pretender doing there?

Down to 13 candles. Will I be able to stop the blood sac before I get killed?

[SirMu]

Just as a warning to everyone attacking me (cough, Caelum, cough), I got two 3000 bonus gold random events in a row. Let's just say that equals a LOT of skinshifters.

[Admiral_Aorta]

The pretender spreads dominion, so I thought it might dom kill you faster. Also maybe discourage you from attacking.

[Finalgenesis]

*OOC*

Can't connect to the server again, usually after 1-3 tries I can make it in, but this time no go with 5+ tries. I'll try again tommorrow and hope it works.

Odd, I played 2 games on this server previously with no problems while this one has persistent hiccups.

[iRFNA]

Emailed gandalf about it

[Peacekeeper]

Pythium looking to trade Nature or Earth gems for Death or Air gems! Let me know by PM!

[Finalgenesis]

Thanks iRFNA, got my turn in with a single try!

[Soyweiser]

Tip: if you plan to blood sac your enemy to death. Do not warn them of this tactic... Sorry Abysia.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Abysia has lots of nature and death gems we're not using. Will trade for fire gems and blood slaves or possibly some magic items. We also have small amounts of earth, air, astral and water.

[SirMu]

I don't suppose Abysia has hit construction six for delicious bloodthorns yet, have they?

[bbz]

Bandar log is trading death gems (up to 50) for nature gems in a 1D for 1.2N ratio. Contact us if interested.

[DarkAvenger211]

Is the server down?

[iRFNA]

Ya, I'm sure it will be back online shortly. It's the whole domain and all of gandalf's servers, not just ours.

[Soyweiser]

TNN and vanheim are about to stale. Could somebody kick the players of these nations?

[iRFNA]

Have they been consistently staling?

[Soyweiser]

Dunno, just noticed it.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

I think Van stalled a few turns back or got close to it, not sure why, they aren't doing poorly.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Odd. I received a "Message from Host" saying "MA Caelum had an unexplainable increase of wealth this turn. This could be caused by cheating." Obviously I don't think that iRFNA is cheating, but something might be up with the server.

[iRFNA]

It just does that on occasion. Or so I'd obviously say to cover up my illicitly acquired ONE BILLION GOLD!!

[Soyweiser]

It usually happens when recruits in a sieged fort are cancelled.

[NaivePhilosopher]

It usually happens when recruits in a sieged fort are cancelled.

Ah, so there's a relatively well known cause then. Good to know.

It just does that on occasion. Or so I'd obviously say to cover up my illicitly acquired ONE BILLION GOLD!!

Oh shi-

Watch out for the birdmen, they just magicked up enough gold to drown everyone in! ;)

[iRFNA]

So it turns out the "gold" I requested from the infernal powers is actually FunBux™. However, I'm assured that it is just as valuable as gold! Anyone want to give me all their gems for a few million FunBux™?

[bbz]

What about tir na n'og? are they in a bad position or something?

[Thanatus del Dragos]

I can see TNN, they are next to me across the sea, they have a couple of forts there, doesn't look like they are too bad off...

[Samhain]

Tir Na N'Og is not bad off. But, they do seem to be on the losing end of their war with Vanheim.

[iRFNA]

Go away, pythium, this is between me and niefelheim!.. unfortunately

[Silence0]

I´m still very much alive...But i´ve been sick these past days unable to get out of bed...Now we shall crush the upstart vans...

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Damn Right, Vans are going down!

[NaivePhilosopher]

It appears that Niefelheim's position might not have been as hopeless as Torgon thought, I take it.

[bbz]

it would be funny if Niefelheim won this game.I'm sure if that happens Torgon will be kicking himself.

[SirMu]

Hey, what can I say. I <3 me some giants, and apparently so does the random number generator.

[Finalgenesis]

Strange, a few of our orders didn't go through last turn or were jumbled, luckily nothing major.

[lwarmonger]

This just in! Bandar Log demonstrates completely unwarranted and unjustified aggression against the peace-loving peasants and workers of the glorious Union of Large Men (ULM). Let us hope that the revolutionary peoples army can repel this unwarranted attack on our workers paradise!

[bbz]

lol dont lie ulm:) You had your 3 turns warning.I even wished you good luck in our war the day before the war began(strangely enough, didnt receive any message back from you)When I have a NAP I follow it through. Also you are doing your faul vampire rising rituals on my grandfathers's land which is suprisingly where your capital is situated :) and that is quite a justification in itself(we want to do our faul Davana rising rituals there). But anyways you are going down:)

[bbz]

We have to see also is abysia as good friend of yours as you might think?;)

[Admiral_Aorta]

I'm fully occupied with those damn demon monkeys, so I'm not sure what you mean.

[bbz]

well that should be a relief for ULM he only has to fight on one front:)

And what I mean is that it will show how good you are at following your nap with him(I assume that after me breaking his armies you will most likely jump into getting whatever territory you can get from him) But yea what is taking you so long with those monkeys. They seem quite resiliant.

[Soyweiser]

Well, he told me that he wanted to dom kill me. MIISSTTAAAAAKKKKEEE! :). He was also very unlucky that Ermor didn't attack me with more strength.

But, I'm as good as dead. (Still! But I have not really researched in many many turns. But now my main army has almost been killed)

[SirMu]

Don't give up Soyweiser. I believe in you, just as you believed in me! Together, we may win!

[lwarmonger]

lol dont lie ulm:) You had your 3 turns warning.I even wished you good luck in our war the day before the war began(strangely enough, didnt receive any message back from you)When I have a NAP I follow it through. Also you are doing your faul vampire rising rituals on my grandfathers's land which is suprisingly where your capital is situated :) and that is quite a justification in itself(we want to do our faul Davana rising rituals there). But anyways you are going down:)

That is like smiling before you kick someone in the teeth. Besides, this war will be decided, if not completed, by the time Abysia finishes with the Monkeys (not that I have any problem with Abysia, nor should Abysia have any problem with me... our two peaceloving nations live in fraternal harmony against all who might oppose us).

The glorious people's revolution will prevail! There is no way our "classless" society can lose to your outdated social model.

[iRFNA]

I dunno, I hear you guys are run by the illuminati. That's doesn't sound much like a people's revolution.

[Admiral_Aorta]

That sounds like one of those wacky conspiarcy theories. Why, next you'll be saying that R'yleh is inhabited by aliens who eat brains.

[iRFNA]

It's true, I tell you! IT'S TRUE!! (http://i.imgur.com/HOy4e.jpg)

[lwarmonger]

I dunno, I hear you guys are run by the illuminati. That's doesn't sound much like a people's revolution.

They are the "Sword and the Shield" of the peoples revolution! As its defenders, naturally they require special priviledges.

[bbz]

That is like smiling before you kick someone in the teeth.


I hope you have strong teeth:)

Edit: I hope I can back up my threat.Otherwise I'd look like a douche.:D

[bbz]

Ulm I am sorry for your "elite" army. that 340 man loss must have hurt:) On the bright side though 65 of them werent exactly living at the first place so I didn't really kill them.

[lwarmonger]

While unfortunate, they were all expendable for the people's revolution. My income just went through the roof too! Have at you!

[bbz]

If you call that an expandable army, then I'm a bit scared.

[lwarmonger]

I can regenerate that in about five turns.... Funding constraints meant I had stopped recruiting a while ago. The only ones that are hard to rebuild are my cavalry (capital only and expensive), but I'm not really leaning on them at all (as you can see, I didn't go for any kind of bless).

[iRFNA]

You don't tell your enemy those things... Unless everything you said was a lie! But would you exaggerate or understate your capabilities? Very clever, you're setting up the perfect trap for bbz. He won't even know what it is, but simply by virtue of reading of your deception, he is guaranteed to do exactly what you want him to do! Of course, my pointing it out may change things... Unless that's exactly what you expected me to do! Dear god! GET OUT OF MY HEAD! ****ing illuminati!!!

[bbz]

He wouldn't be writing that unless he wants me to react in a certain way about it. And I am aware of that.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Ah yes, the super double secret twist reverse-double reverse branch of psychology. Good work everyone.

[SirMu]

Ah, my ridiculously circuitous plan is one-quarter complete. :evil:

[iRFNA]

Ha, you're merely my puppet, doing the dirty work of my enigmatic dark lord so I don't have to.

[bbz]

I will cite what one of my faithful worriors said when I asked him what his opinion on the illuminati reverse psychology matter was:
"Monkey don't think, monkey smash!" And then he got so exited he started waving his club around and hitting the ground, and eventually passed out. But thats another story.

[bbz]

Ah I just tried to talk to a Guru right now.Strangely he just turned his back on me and continued meditating.I have a feeling that those little buggers don't like me too much. They seem to be under the impression that I am brutal, selfish perpotent tyrant wanting to enslave the whole world and willing to sacrifice millions of innocent lives in doing so. I really don't know where they could have gotten that idea from??

[Silence0]

I´ll still try but i might stall this turn...I will try to continue playing as usual but if i start to see that i can´t continue i´ll let you know so you can ask for a sub

[iRFNA]

In hindsight, that was an extremely bad order choice, wasn't it? Oh well, can't make an omelet without sacrificing hundreds of birds.

[lwarmonger]

Ah, my ridiculously circuitous plan is one-quarter complete. :evil:

My illuminati and the robot devil have a lot in common. And I think you are all missing the simplistic brilliance of my master plan.

Step 1: Sacrifice thousands of lives in pursuit of power
Step 2: ?????????
Step 3: Profit!!!!!!!!!

[bbz]

hmm yea I still dont understand why you lost 270 wolves to kill 4 white ones?Wouldn't they be better off if they stayed with your main army(If you have such thing)that is half of a thousand you sacrificed alread I gess I should be getting even more scared (well I'm still fine I gess till we reach the first thousand) But then bang and I'm done for:D

[Hylobius]

Anyone else having server problems? I have been unable to get into the game all night.

[iRFNA]

I can log in just fine. What exactly happens when you try to get on?

[Hylobius]

The computer freezes on the "Waiting for game info" screen and I have to Ctrl/Alt/Del out. This happens every few turns and sometimes like tonight it goes on for hours. I have played other games on Gandalf's server and not seen this in previous games.

[SirMu]

I'm having the same problem.

[Hylobius]

Ok, my turn is in, but it took about 20 tries tonight.

[iRFNA]

Emailed gandalf for a server restart, that should fix it

[lwarmonger]

hmm yea I still dont understand why you lost 270 wolves to kill 4 white ones?Wouldn't they be better off if they stayed with your main army(If you have such thing)that is half of a thousand you sacrificed alread I gess I should be getting even more scared (well I'm still fine I gess till we reach the first thousand) But then bang and I'm done for:D

Hey, come on now. We're about 70% to "??????" if you look at the number of lives sacrificed!

[iRFNA]

"I still think its caused by someone NOT using the Quit button on dominions to disconnect properly."

For anyone in windowed mode, this may be the cause!

[bbz]

hmm yea I still dont understand why you lost 270 wolves to kill 4 white ones?Wouldn't they be better off if they stayed with your main army(If you have such thing)that is half of a thousand you sacrificed alread I gess I should be getting even more scared (well I'm still fine I gess till we reach the first thousand) But then bang and I'm done for:D

Hey, come on now. We're about 70% to "??????" if you look at the number of lives sacrificed!

ok I'll give you that one:), but those walls are going to break real soon so you'd better sacrifice the remaining 30 % as quickly as possible.

[iRFNA]

Pythium, don't you have better things to do than poisoning helpless birds?

[Soyweiser]

Hi ulm, I think you wished you would have agreed with my NAP terms now don't you! :P

[SirMu]

The war against Caelum is going well. I think. I haven't checked the turn file yet, but iRFNA doesn't sound happy!

The misfortune of my foes is like sweet honey on the bread of victory.

[iRFNA]

Well, I can hold off pythium easily enough. So I guess if I'm going down, out of the ashes will rise an incredibly strengthened niefelheim!

[bbz]

Lol to be honest iRFNA you are naling the topics of the game with those names:D A New Hope for Lanka:).And about the pervious ones, I got attacked by Ermor in the attack of the dead and then I attacked Ulm in the revenge of the living:D

[Admiral_Aorta]

Hope for Lanka? What parallel universe do you hail from?

[bbz]

lol well I can see him taking over your territories (3 in the last couple of turns) So I take that as a hope unless you are just lure-ing him into something

[lwarmonger]

Hi ulm, I think you wished you would have agreed with my NAP terms now don't you! :P

Honestly, not worried about it... Lanka is really quite unimportant to anyone except Abysia.

[SirMu]

Still can't connect. Can I get a 48 hour extension? Assuming this is a problem on my end and not with the server, I should have access to a computer that can connect soon.

[iRFNA]

e-mailed gandalf to reset the timer

[SirMu]

Sent in my turn.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Vanheim and Fomoria: I applaud your curiosity but I decry your carelessness. Your scouts need some more training.

[iRFNA]

My poor birds are helpless against the skinshifter hordes. Pythium and agartha, best to start massing some serious armies now, cause when niefelheim breaks through my borders like a chestburster, you're going to have a serious problem on your hands.

[SirMu]

Hordes you call them. Why, I only have a single standing army. I think your birds are just weaker than you think.

[iRFNA]

Each skinshifter is worth a horde of birds :(

And I know you've got a whole lot more of those bastards in reserve!

[SirMu]

It it my fault your brittle bones snap so easily? If a skinshifter sneezes on one of your birds it dies.

[Peacekeeper]

Pythium is looking to trade earth gems for air gems, 1:1 ratio. Let me know.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Don't forget to take your turn R'lyeh!

[Finalgenesis]

Thanks I actually thought I submitted my turn already.

[Peacekeeper]

Pythium is looking for air boosters and air gems. I can trade boosters for other magic paths or gems for them. Let me know by PM.

[SirMu]

Okay, being as how my 'bad' connection is my main connection, I'm going to need a favor if I'm going to continue playing: I need someone who can send me the turn file through email every turn, and then upload my 2h file for me. The preferred candidate will be a trustworthy player in this game who checks their email reasonably often and enjoys long walks on the beach.

Please and thank you.

Goes for this game as well.

[lwarmonger]

Merry Christmas Admiral Aorta! AVENGE ME!!!!!

[Peacekeeper]

Merry Christmas Admiral Aorta! AVENGE ME!!!!!

hook me up with your air gems and soem death gems plz and thank you!

[lwarmonger]

Merry Christmas Admiral Aorta! AVENGE ME!!!!!

hook me up with your air gems and soem death gems plz and thank you!


Bam! More than you probably bargained for.

[Peacekeeper]

<3 you.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Gems sound good. I guess the monkeys were too much for you?

[bbz]

It was a really interesting war lwarmonger I learnt a lot from it and even at point I thought I'd lose the war(espesially when you killed all my gandharvas).My people recognise you as a worthy opponent and it was a pleasure testing their skills to the limit. We will take good care of all the lands we take from you and make sure that your people continue their peaceful and happy life.

[SirMu]

I don't suppose you have some before-death gold you want to lay on me?

[lwarmonger]

It was a really interesting war lwarmonger I learnt a lot from it and even at point I thought I'd lose the war(espesially when you killed all my gandharvas).My people recognise you as a worthy opponent and it was a pleasure testing their skills to the limit. We will take good care of all the lands we take from you and make sure that your people continue their peaceful and happy life.

Yeah, those loss leaders were really good at soaking up my iron Blizzards. Once I had that researched I had wanted to hit all of your armies at once in the hopes that I could wipe out all your main forces and then roll you back (I hadn't gotten to Evocation 6 until after you destroyed my main army, so I had to wait until your sieges were in place)... sadly those individual squads in your main army largely negated all 17 iron priests casting iron blizzard. I inflicted casualties, but not enough to get to "?????". Oh well!

[lwarmonger]

I don't suppose you have some before-death gold you want to lay on me?

Nope... I've got a couple of turns left as long as I've got money. I plan to make Lanka work for what they've encircled (and probably not get it... I think my crippled empire can at least rob Lanka of what they are trying to take).

[bbz]

I inflicted casualties, but not enough to get to "?????". Oh well!

Nevertheless I thought you did briliantly given the fact that your main goal was defeating ermor and your armies just werent created with me in mind.One thing though (of which I was scared) you could have raided me a lot with your stealthy rangers. Monkey pd plainly sux 15 of them would have been enough to take a proince in most cases and if you destroyed my economy I probably would have been in bad shape even if I could take over your capital.

edit: though I assume you didn't mass them because they are not nearly as useful against ermor.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Apologies Abyssia. Lanka's death throes managed to take a province from me, which thus necessitated some assisted euthanasia. Didn't mean to get your troops caught up in it.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I'm quite capable of killing Lanka myself, thank you.

[lwarmonger]

Nevertheless I thought you did briliantly given the fact that your main goal was defeating ermor and your armies just werent created with me in mind.One thing though (of which I was scared) you could have raided me a lot with your stealthy rangers. Monkey pd plainly sux 15 of them would have been enough to take a proince in most cases and if you destroyed my economy I probably would have been in bad shape even if I could take over your capital.

edit: though I assume you didn't mass them because they are not nearly as useful against ermor.

To be quite honest with you, by the time you massed to attack me I was beginning my transition to a blood economy (without the research mind... that was all focused on getting to evocation 6 for Iron Blizzard, next up was blood once I had all of my counts harvesting blood slaves) and was running short on funds. I can produce a lot of rangers in an extremely short period with production 3, but when you attacked funds wise it was a choice between recruiting my one iron priest a turn per fortress (important for my planned iron blizzard spam)+max producing my undead guardians (whose black halberds were important for killing your blessed units) or going with a raiding force of rangers. Since all I really wanted to do was hold you off and then wear you down through attrition (which I thought I could do between iron blizzard and that huge army you destroyed at the outset)I decided to go the more conventional path. I just didn't have enough depth to fall back on, and was about three turns too late in researching.

Very well played though. I'll fight to the last!

[bbz]

I'll fight to the last!
It will be a pleasure:)

[NaivePhilosopher]

Because I promised I'd ask, and because I realize that people are starting to die in this game anyway, if anyone's looking for another newbie game I heartily recommend that you sub into FrolickingFledglings over in the other forum for LA Atlantis. They're a leading nation, yada yada, the relevant details are here. (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=47271)

[Finalgenesis]

Can't connect again in 7+ tries, will need a reboot to access game again @.@

[iRFNA]

email sent

[Hylobius]

Last night I was freezing on "waiting for game info" and this morning I'm getting "failed to connect".

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Yea, couldn't connect to any game this morning either.

[NaivePhilosopher]

I think the server was down for awhile this morning; I couldn't get to the list of private games to check them, anyway. It seems to be working now.

[iRFNA]

Prepare to be annoyed to death, niefelheim!

[DarkAvenger211]

Sorry about the delays guys, I had thought I had nothing left. I logged on to set myself to AI

[lwarmonger]

I know right? I thought I was done too... once Bandar Log finally gets around to it I probably will be. Still have three fortresses left!

[SirMu]

Hilarious battle report:
Turn 1) My werewolf casts quicken self, rushes forward. Caelum's fliers intercept. Caelum's archers fire, killing own.
Turn 2) Werewolf eats a few birds. Caelums armies start routing.
Turn 3) Most of Caelum army routed. Werewolf kills survivors.