PBW status

[geoschmo]

Taking the server down for some maintenance. Should be an hour or two at the most.

I will disable auto turns in case anyone's game is scheduled to run during that time.

Geoschmo

[Lisif Deoral]

LOL! I was real-time uploading a turn when I lost the connection with PBW and the server went down - for some minutes I feared I might have somehow crashed the server http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[mottlee]

LOL that's why! will the Email still work???

[1FSTCAT]

So did it go back up?? I'm not able to get to it, at the moment..

--Ed

[Rollo]

yeah, I couldn't get there either for some time today.

It is back now.

Rollo

[geoschmo]

Ok, I am taking her down for a bit again. Shouldn't be as long as Last night this time.

Geoschmo

[Binford]

Well, I discovered a new thing - if PBW goes down while using RT client - SE4 crashes. And me only an hour into devnull3's turn. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Binford

[geoschmo]

Sorry about that Binford. Unfortunatly that is one of the negatives of RTC, really the main one. It's something we hope to fix in the future. I am through messing with it tonight if it's any consolation.

Someone please tell me if you can get on there ok.

Geoschmo

[Chronon]

Geo, I just logged on and downloaded a turn from one of my games. So, it looks like it's working fine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[geoschmo]

Ok, what I have been doing the Last couple days is hooking up a wireless network. I want to move the server to a different room in my house and I rent so I can't be punching holes in the wall and running wires.

The wireless network has a better transfer rate then the DSL line, so there should be no noticable loss in performance at all. But if anyone notices any slowdown, particulary with uploading or downloading files, please let me know. Currently it's hooked up to the wireless NIC, but it's sitting only a couple feet from the access point. I want to run it a while and make sure it works good before I move it accross the house.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

Ok, taking it down for a few minutes again. Doesn't look like too many people are on it right now, so it shouldn't mess up any RTC players.

This should be the Last time I have to take it down for a while. Assuming all goes ok I will be turning auto turns back on this evening.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

Ok, back up and in the new location. Let me know if you notice any slowdowns in site performance of file transfer rate.

Geoschmo

[Slynky]

Well, without doing anything else, the site looks the same to me. Page fills the screen in about 6 seconds from clicking the link. (and, as usual, all the icons take a bit longer to appear)

But looks the same.

[Cyrien]

Actually... It is running faster and better for me than it ever has before. For me the Icons aren't even lagging behind in loading anymore. Excellent. Nothing has changed on my side... so either just a random thing or performnace has improved.

[Gryphin]

I think I broke it.
Well, I think I was the Last one there.
(sorry guys)
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[geoschmo]

No, you didn't break it Gryphin. We are haivng a thunderstorm here. ISP flickered is all. It's back up now.

Geoschmo

[ May 10, 2003, 18:24: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[tesco samoa]

geo... i noticed in a koth game that was created... there was a forum...

Does this mean the forum is working again ????

[tesco samoa]

hmm thats strange... some times its there some times it is not there ( the game forum link )

[geoschmo]

The game forums have been fixed for a while now, but the links from the text UI are still not working. You can get to the game forums from the Graphic UI, or from the main forum page by hitting the "Show all game forums" button at the bottom.

Not sure why you saw a link, unless you were in the Graphic UI.

Geoschmo

[ May 11, 2003, 02:56: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[tesco samoa]

Graphic UI... Is were I saw it... For new game that have been created within the Last week.

Some times the link shows up some times it does not.

[tesco samoa]

hmm... does anyone else have problems when they click on the home page... and the own games list does not show up..... It loaded. Just slowly. It was over a minute

[ May 11, 2003, 17:00: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

[geoschmo]

It was a little slow for me just there too. But it seems to be working now. I dunno.

[freduk]

I can not access it right now, am I the only one???

[Unknown_Enemy]

yes,
can't access it from here too

[mac5732]

nope, I can't get in either

[Kana]

Me neither...it was working about 3 hours ago...

Kana

[Atrocities]

Still no access. I am sure once Geo gets home he will correct the issue.

I wonder how much $$ Geo would need to rebuild the server with all new parts, or better yet, build a new server?

[Ragnarok]

Dead here. Worked earlier today. Perhaps it just needs a kicking. Either way I can wait...

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Still no access. I am sure once Geo gets home he will correct the issue.

I wonder how much $$ Geo would need to rebuild the server with all new parts, or better yet, build a new server? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not sure it's a HW problem. Seems like usually it's the service provider with an unknown glitch or the server SW burps.

Hope he's not at school tonight...trying to get a game setup for Master B and Parasite before I turn in.

[Slynky]

Well, I have a screen now but it's really slow. But this looks promising http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

[Roanon]

pbw.cc is ok, but then clicking on graphics or text interface gives "internal server error". Guess it needs a kick. A hard one.

[geoschmo]

Nope. Still down. No eta.

[farstryder]

To E3 and (ruatha?):
RE: Existence2 and NeGoC5 Game Turns

due to the server downtime, i can't promise that my turns will be in by deadline. i had scheduled my week out with the time interval starting now and extending for an hour to be a designated "SEIV spot" in my now-busy sked. i hope that you will be able to wait for my turns, i ought to be able to get them in by tomorrow evening or Wednesday morning (Central Time) at the latest.

If you could accomodate this in the turn processing, i would be extremely grateful.

TY
-a very harried farstryder

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by farstryder:
To E3 and (ruatha?):
RE: Existence2 and NeGoC5 Game Turns

due to the server downtime, i can't promise that my turns will be in by deadline. i had scheduled my week out with the time interval starting now and extending for an hour to be a designated "SEIV spot" in my now-busy sked. i hope that you will be able to wait for my turns, i ought to be able to get them in by tomorrow evening or Wednesday morning (Central Time) at the latest.

If you could accomodate this in the turn processing, i would be extremely grateful.

TY
-a very harried farstryder <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hi, as the server is down there is nothing I can do right now.
The PBW server is usually set to "After Last Player upload" after downtimes, courtesy of the PBW admins.
So there shouldn't be any cause to worry.

[ May 18, 2004, 05:15: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[Roanon]

Still down - seems to be a more serious problem than a needed kick. Time to setup the emergency replacement(s)?

[Fyron]

That might be a little premature... it has only been a few hours...

[Roanon]

12 hours, half a day - but you're right, guess I'm too used to Geos' fast fixes. So I'm worried when he can't bring the server back to work with a swift kick.

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by Roanon:
Still down - seems to be a more serious problem than a needed kick. Time to setup the emergency replacement(s)? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'll give it a day or two before I fire up the NGC emergency server.

[geoschmo]

Yeah, actually you may want to go ahead and get going on that backup site. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Roanon]

What is wrong, Geo - hardware problem?

[geoschmo]

Nope. It's a software error. Can't get the database that runs the site working.

Anybody here know Tomcat and Mysql really well? If you do send me an email.

Geoschmo

[tesco samoa]

can you send me the error message... I will see if I can help at all... I have to ghost 2 pc's for the plant floor and then set them up... but after that I could have a free hour to help with everyone working on the problem

[Roanon]

Software error? As usual - undo the Last change that you did just before the error occured http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Well I guess there have been no changes (? - never change a running system!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ), so a software issue should not make PBW refuse to work after running for such a long time. Maybe the database is corrupt or needs a purge? Disk full? Capacity problem - memory? Faulty memory chip?

It might also help to upgrade to the latest Version, but I'm not up to date with Tomcat, known problems and bugfixes. I would probably make a backup of the database, delete it and create it new and fresh, and check if the problem persists. If not, copy the old tables one-by-one until it crashes and if, you have at least located the problem.

I have some time at hands, I can give you any help with mySQL if you need, but I'm no Tomcat expert.

[geoschmo]

Yes Roanon, no changes were made. The server froze up yesterday, and after rebooting we have what we have. I suspect you are right and it's some sort of database corruption. Tesco's gonna take a look at it. Hopefully he will be able to resolve it.

[Atrocities]

Is it possible that some outside source attempted to access your data base for mining purposes and in doing so caused the error?

I have read stories about this happening on other dedicated gaming sites and forums.

A company, or individual, will target gaming servers for access to emails and any other info on the players that use it. Often resulting in problems for the server.

This normally happens on forums, but it has happened on game servers like Earth 2025, and Utopia, as well as Planetarion.

Geoschmo the PBw server must seem like a gold mine to these SOB's. They get the IP and start hacking, the next thing you know, your data base is fried, PBW is down, and we all start getting spam in our email boxes. Oh ya, then your PayPal account suddenly is frozen and your bank account is drained.

I would be concerned.

[Roanon]

Hacking is not THAT easy, I doubt it. Main reasons for intrusion are often easy-to-crack passwords, pissed off ex-mods/frieds with password knowledge, laughable simplistic password entering/checking routines, or yet another M$ bug (tm). Forum systems, especially those with open source, may be vulnerable to some annoying things, even reading of private data like email addys - as this info is usually available to common Users anyway and therefore less protected. But the database itself is normally safe from destructive intrusions. There are a lot of myths about "hacking", and it is too easy to blame some unknown hackers for any self-created problem with websites.

I think PBW is too small to be of interest, and the personal data too protected - should be easier and more rewarding to hack into the Shrapnell forum. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Atrocities]

You have set my mind at ease my dear Roanon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thank you.

So what could cause a Data Base to fail? Power surge, power failure, corrupt info?

I wish I knew more about how they worked, but I don't. Sorry Geo.

[Roanon]

If the comp froze during a database write-access, I would not find it unusual that it got corrupted. Let's hope Tesco can find the time to fix the problem soon.

[tesco samoa]

don't put high hopes in me i know little of tomcat and java....

Just learning.

[trooper]

Seems all is not stopped on the PBW site...

I've just received a "[SEIV PBW] Turn not yet received" message.
I Hope the turn will not be executed before the site is back...

[Roanon]

Any news, Tesco? Could you identify the problem, is it database corruption or something more difficult?

[tesco samoa]

civol did you get the error message. it looks like the pool is not starting which is causing the crap out.

if anyone has some good experience with tomcat fire me an email at simon.baxendale at eds.com

I will send the error message.

[Fyron]

Geo, I just got a nag email for a PBW game... did you disable auto turn processing?

[geoschmo]

Yes, turns are not going to process. You might get an occasional nag email whenever we start the server up again to test something out. It's not anything to worry about though.

Geoschmo

[Combat Wombat]

Oh good, I was geting worried about that too.

[Kana]

Site appears to be up right now...but only in Text mode. This might just be a test...

Kana

[geoschmo]

Ok, site is back up, but as Kana noticed it's only in text mode. It's not a test though. You can use it. You just can't use the Graphic UI, and the forums are down. That's what was apparently taking everything down, so I have turned them off for now.

Auto processing is still off, but turns will run if all .plr files are uploaded or if the game owner forces the turn.

We'll limp along for now until we can fix the forums.

Geoschmo

[mottlee]

An FYI, I do not know if it is the reason or not, in one of my games (Highliner) I have Emailed turns in and the Last 2 I have had to up-load them to make the turn.
Thanks

[geoschmo]

Actually the email turns function is not working either, but that has been going on for several days and is a separate problem from the recent down time.

[Cipher7071]

This may seem kind of silly, but I can't find where to upload a turn in this text mode. I see where to download, and just about everything else.
This is not an immediate problem for me because I completed my uploads before the crash. I was just wondering if anyone else has not uploaded because, like me, they haven't figured out how yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ May 20, 2004, 17:02: Message edited by: Cipher7071 ]

[Kana]

Well for at least uploading of turns...it works just like the GUI interface. Good job on getting something back up guys...

Kana

[Alneyan]

Go to the page of the game in question, and look at the left of your screen. There should be a link called "Send Turn" if you haven't uploaded your turn yet, which will allow you to do so.

It should be as in the graphics Version afterwards. (I cannot say for sure though, as I have always used the text-based Version)

Edit: It seems like I didn't quite understand your post (or you altered it quite a bit with your edit, but the former seems more likely). The option to "send your turn" isn't available if you have already uploaded your file.

[ May 20, 2004, 17:03: Message edited by: Alneyan ]

[Cipher7071]

There is no such link as I view it. Does the "get turn" button change into a "send turn" button when the time comes?

[Cipher7071]

Now that we've finished overlapping responses, I understand.

[Starling]

I'm trying to join a game, but I am not receiving an email from PBW with the empire password. help would be appreciated.

Thanks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

[Alneyan]

Have you been approved to join the game or have you merely applied for the position in this game? You can check by going to the game page and see if your name is given as player for one of the Empires.

You will only receive the mail with the password once the game owner approves you, and not before. If you have already been approved, it may be due to a technical problem, but you should check if your mail works as well. A player has just been approved to join another game, so it shouldn't be linked with any technical problem. (The key work being "shouldn't" here)

[ May 20, 2004, 18:23: Message edited by: Alneyan ]

[Starling]

I've checked the game status and it shows "awaiting turn". The game host has been notified and he said that he got a garbled message. I got nothing so far. I can download the turn, but I can load the game because I don't have the password.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[tesco samoa]

please list the game , empire and your player name.

email is turned off.

i will find the info and send it to you

[Slynky]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
please list the game , empire and your player name.

email is turned off.

i will find the info and send it to you <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, not entirely turned off...I've done a few turns today and received all of them via email (though I downloaded them manually from the site).

So, other than saying I am getting email, I don't know what it means.

[geoschmo]

Yeah, outgoing email is working. It's the inbound email that is off.

[Fyron]

So... does the admin@pbw.cc email address work?

[Gandalf Parker]

Id love to get some spec stats on pbw.cc and see about getting a dominions Version working

email of gandalf at dom2minions.com will work if interested

[ May 21, 2004, 16:09: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

[Roanon]

How is the repair going on? I really liked that graphic Version... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[capnq]

does the admin@pbw.cc email address work? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes.

Has somebody sent you the files you asked for yet?

capnq
PBW admin

[Grauzone]

i've executed a turn on PBW without problems. is there a problem to activate automatic turns?

[Asmala]

Does anyone else have problems adding new players to a game? When I try to add a player to a Koth game I get a error message:

Error: 500
Location: /GameAdmin
Internal Servlet Error:
-crop-

Player will be still added to the game, though. But the Empire Shipset is "null", nothing shows in log and the players I added yesterday disappeared during the night.

[tesco samoa]

There are still database problems that need to be resolved.

[geoschmo]

Yes, everyone is having that problem. I suspect it's a side effect of the forum database foul up. When you add a player to a game, one of the things it normally does is give them access to the game forum. I think it's tripping up on that.

We are working on the forum problem. Once that's fixed the other should be as well.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Grauzone:
i've executed a turn on PBW without problems. is there a problem to activate automatic turns? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm a little nervous about doing this as we haven't really fixed anything yet, just worked around our current problems. And the email turn feature is broke, making it much harder for some people to keep up with their turn deadlines. But we are thinking about it. In the mean time the game owner can force turns manually.

[AMF]

I've also just recently accepted anew player to the 001 Ultimate game, but he never received the "join accepted" email, hence he doens't have the empire password. Is there any way to get it to him, or do I need to run the turn manually and reset it?

thanks,

Alarik

Ps: I would have posted this in the PBW admin request forum, but they seem to be down as well.

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Yes, everyone is having that problem. I suspect it's a side effect of the forum database foul up. When you add a player to a game, one of the things it normally does is give them access to the game forum. I think it's tripping up on that.

We are working on the forum problem. Once that's fixed the other should be as well.

Geoschmo <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">

[capnq]

I've also just recently accepted anew player to the 001 Ultimate game, but he never received the "join accepted" email, hence he doens't have the empire password. Is there any way to get it to him,<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">We need to know the game, player, and empire. Send the info to admin@pbw.cc , or post it here.

capnq
PBW admin

[Baron Grazic]

Anyone else having problems connecting to PBW?

Edit - Post 666, pretty appropiate. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[ May 27, 2004, 22:52: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

[Slynky]

Just tried on your message and I can't get there, either.

(666, huh... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif )

[PvK]

I can't get there either. Worked this morning though.

PvK

[geoschmo]

Had a bit of a storm blow through there for a bit. About 2 inches of rain in 20 min. Power went out for a few seconds and I thought it was best to leave it off till the storm was over. Everything should be ok now though.

Geoschmo

[Baron Grazic]

Working now, Thanks Geo.

So it wasn't the "Day after Tommorow" type of storm? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Renegade 13]

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Working now, Thanks Geo.

So it wasn't the "Day after Tommorow" type of storm? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oooo I wanna see that movie!! Comes out tomorrow! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Edit - Post 666, pretty appropiate. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ah, my number! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Aiken]

Is everything ok with PBW? I can't connect to the server lately.

[farstryder]

it must have just gone down a few minutes ago... i was able to download my turn, but not to upload it when i finished playing it. does anyone know what's up with the frequent outages? this isn't the first time that this has happened in the Last couple weeks. is there any way the players can help?

[geoschmo]

Everything seems ok on this end, except for the ongoing database problems we already know about. Can you still not get to it? Might have been just a temporary glitch.

[farstryder]

yeah, its back now... must have been a temporary glitch

[Edward]

Looks like the server is not available, can't access it even with the IP number.

[Spoo]

It's not working for me.

[tesco samoa]

down for me as well

[Cipher7071]

8:03 PM EDT and still no access.

[Atrocities]

Still down. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Well these things happen when your a Qwest customer. Or is it AT&T?

[geoschmo]

Jeez, I try to go and spend the day at the park with my kids and ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Should be back up now.

[Atrocities]

It was jealus that you left it behind. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif You need to spend more quality time with the pbw server as its needs are great.

I know, you can give it a baby brother server. Link them together and they will never be lonely. Oh wait that is a bad idea, they might form a sentient AI and then plot to kill you in your sleep. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Joachim]

Heh ya,

Is something wrong with PBW game set up? I am trying to set up a rated game and assign the players yet I get server errors and other wierd stuff?

Am I doing something wrong (highly likely) or is it PBW?

[mottlee]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
It was jealus that you left it behind. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif You need to spend more quality time with the pbw server as its needs are great.

I know, you can give it a baby brother server. Link them together and they will never be lonely. Oh wait that is a bad idea, they might form a sentient AI and then plot to kill you in your sleep. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ROFLMAO! OK "HAL" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Joachim:
Heh ya,

Is something wrong with PBW game set up? I am trying to set up a rated game and assign the players yet I get server errors and other wierd stuff?

Am I doing something wrong (highly likely) or is it PBW? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think I remember something about a problem with assigning players (about the forum or something), so we can just join.

[spoon]

Originally posted by Joachim:
I am trying to set up a rated game and assign the players yet I get server errors<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I got those errors when I accepted players to a game - but the players were accepted anyway. Maybe the error had to do with sending you back to the appropriate page or something.

[Alneyan]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
I know, you can give it a baby brother server. Link them together and they will never be lonely. Oh wait that is a bad idea, they might form a sentient AI and then plot to kill you in your sleep. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">"Look at you, Hacker. A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?"

I do apologize, I couldn't refrain from putting Shodan's line when you mentioned a sentient AI. She is such a nice person, but alas, her purposes are best left unvoiced.

[Aiken]

Who took the Shodan's name in vain?!

btw, according to the legend, Shodan is IT, not SHE http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Alneyan]

I have always thought of Shodan as being an actual person, but I guess that's just me. And of course, if you can say a country is a "She", then Shodan ought to be called a "She" as well. But the most important fact is how Shodan wants to be called, for I have no wish of angering she... this wonderful being. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Alneyan:
I have always thought of Shodan as being an actual person, but I guess that's just me. And of course, if you can say a country is a "She", then Shodan ought to be called a "She" as well. But the most important fact is how Shodan wants to be called, for I have no wish of angering she... this wonderful being. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Or even better, cars, planes, and boats are referred to as "she".

[Asmala]

Originally posted by spoon:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Joachim:
I am trying to set up a rated game and assign the players yet I get server errors<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I got those errors when I accepted players to a game - but the players were accepted anyway. Maybe the error had to do with sending you back to the appropriate page or something. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yep, players were accepted, but it will be temporary. I accepted two players at morning and at evening they both were again pending join. So, new games can't be started.

[Mark the Merciful]

No, the Grudge Match of Doom has progressed to "Ready for Turn"

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Asmala:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by spoon:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Joachim:
I am trying to set up a rated game and assign the players yet I get server errors<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I got those errors when I accepted players to a game - but the players were accepted anyway. Maybe the error had to do with sending you back to the appropriate page or something. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yep, players were accepted, but it will be temporary. I accepted two players at morning and at evening they both were again pending join. So, new games can't be started. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">After you accept the players, go to the game admin screen and hit update options. You don't have to change any options, just hit the update button. This will save the game settings with the players accepted.

Also, if the players upload their empire file right after being accepted before the server kicks them back to pending then it will lock them in as well.

Geoschmo

[ May 31, 2004, 23:19: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[Slynky]

Might be a problem with the server...I can't get in.

[Renegade 13]

I can get in no problem.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Renegade 13:
I can get in no problem. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmmm, can get to any other site but not PBW. Oh well, things might work themselves out by tomorrow.

Thanks.

[Asmala]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
After you accept the players, go to the game admin screen and hit update options. You don't have to change any options, just hit the update button. This will save the game settings with the players accepted.

Also, if the players upload their empire file right after being accepted before the server kicks them back to pending then it will lock them in as well.

Geoschmo <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">OK, thanks.

[Unknown_Enemy]

same here, cant' get to PBW.

[geoschmo]

Server's up. Din't go down actually. People still having trouble getting to it?

[Slynky]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Server's up. Din't go down actually. People still having trouble getting to it? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Like I suggested...didn't do a thing here but it's back up for me this morning. Go figure.

[Gandalf Parker]

There are alot of DNS complaints in the SysAdmin newsGroups. Dont know yet if its just certain DNS softwares or DNS running on just certain OSs. I suspect some new virus/worm/DoS may be found to be a problem.

For awhile people might want to keep the IP number handy and use that where they wre using the named address.

[mac5732]

I get to PBW text without problem

[Unknown_Enemy]

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
There are alot of DNS complaints in the SysAdmin newsGroups. Dont know yet if its just certain DNS softwares or DNS running on just certain OSs. I suspect some new virus/worm/DoS may be found to be a problem.

For awhile people might want to keep the IP number handy and use that where they wre using the named address. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">no, it was not DNS related, I could not ping the IP adress. But now, it's ok.

Go figure.

[Iansidious]

PBW is working alright. But I go to check a game I started a few days ago only to find myself kicked off! I had my empire uploaded and everything. I rejoined my game and all seems fine. Just thought I would let the Admin know.

[Slynky]

I'm not getting in now. Sigh...

[Baron Grazic]

It was working 5 minutes ago, but not now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[Grauzone]

"connection refused" message by connecting PBW

[Roanon]

Same here

[Ruatha]

I thought I had failed with the upload code in the companion application again, sigh...
Now atleast I'll get some time before I face another failure, thanks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

BTW: My app does not manipulate the PBW server in any way and has nothing to do with the down time, just wanted to point that out....
It just surfs the web as any person does but it does it automaticly.

[ June 05, 2004, 20:37: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[Kana]

NO PBW here...drat...

Kana

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Kana:
NO PBW here...drat...

Kana <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeah, same here...no opportunity for Mark the Merciful to whack me some more... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[AMF]

Yep, I get the lock out when I try to go to my games for the past three hours or so. Luckily I already downloaded the NGC and STM turn, so now I'm just waiting to upload them...la la la la la la wait wait wait

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Roanon]

No need to wait - send turn via email, alarikf http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Atrocities]

I cannot enter either. always happens on a weekend when Geo is out with the family. Its like the server is jealus or something. Geo buy the kids some quads and go riding. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif It is great fun. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Roanon]

He should hug the server before he leaves and explain him that he will be back shortly. Maybe this will help http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[AMF]

Nah, never used the email way...don't even know the address, and I emptied my inbocx already, so I can't retrieve it...I'll just wait...hopefull ynot too much longer, else I'll butt up against a deadline I think...when is NGC4 due again?

Originally posted by Roanon:
No need to wait - send turn via email, alarikf http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">

[Sivran]

Originally posted by alarikf:
Nah, never used the email way...don't even know the address, and I emptied my inbocx already, so I can't retrieve it...I'll just wait...hopefull ynot too much longer, else I'll butt up against a deadline I think...when is NGC4 due again?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Roanon:
No need to wait - send turn via email, alarikf http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana"></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">PBW hasn't been accepting emailed turns for a while anyway...

Originally said by geoschmo:
It's currently not receiving any mail because we lost our pop3 service.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">

[mottlee]

8:18 Est. PBW Down http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[AMF]

Sounds like GeoSchmo et al need some more cash donations to keep it running smoothly! Maybe the server can be appeased with cold hard dubloons?

Off to donate some now...

[AMF]

So...I assume that game deadlines are getting put on hold while the server is down?

[se5a]

they havent been up

EDIT: the auto turns havent been on for ages that is.

[ June 06, 2004, 03:19: Message edited by: se5a ]

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by alarikf:
Nah, never used the email way...don't even know the address, and I emptied my inbocx already, so I can't retrieve it...I'll just wait...hopefull ynot too much longer, else I'll butt up against a deadline I think...when is NGC4 due again?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Roanon:
No need to wait - send turn via email, alarikf http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana"></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">When the server is back up (I think it's midday today E(uropean)ST)

[Ruatha]

It's back up now!

[Roanon]

Geo probably returned from his weekend and server was happy again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

so deadline for NGC3 will be moved 24 hours, I guess?

[geoschmo]

I didn't even know it was down. I just got back, but I didn't do anything to bring it up. Was probably Georgig. :|

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by Roanon:
Geo probably returned from his weekend and server was happy again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

so deadline for NGC3 will be moved 24 hours, I guess? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You can have as much time as you need with NGC3 Roanon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif , Didn't you win in that one already?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif
NGC4 and NeGoC5 will be run in approx 14 hours from now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[ June 06, 2004, 16:10: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[Ruatha]

And now the PBW server is....

[Grauzone]

Originally posted by Ruatha:
And now the PBW server is.... <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">.... not reachable http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Cipher7071]

Alarikf mentioned below about making a donation to repair or upgrade the PBW server. I don't have much money to throw at it, but I can kick in something. I was wondering what needs to be done to get the job done.

[geoschmo]

The problem isn't a lack of funds. We need someone that can figure out what's wrong with the code and fix it. Since we don't have that we are going to have to limp by and do the best we can until we can.

[Renegade 13]

PBW seems to be back up...at least I can get into it. Let the masses of deprived humanity rejoice!!

[Roanon]

Originally posted by Ruatha:
You can have as much time as you need with NGC3 Roanon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif , Didn't you win in that one already?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif
NGC4 and NeGoC5 will be run in approx 14 hours from now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'll just take whatever NGC I will get when clicking on "Games" on the PBW site http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
Alternatively, how about kicking Oogs so the game might auto-execute as soon as everyone else has submitted a turn?

[Roanon]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
The problem isn't a lack of funds. We need someone that can figure out what's wrong with the code and fix it. Since we don't have that we are going to have to limp by and do the best we can until we can. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I thought it was a problem with the forum database table? Is someone working on it?

[Tanus]

I could be in trouble with both NGC 4 and 5 then, because I went to do my turns Last night, and it was down, and now I'm at work... and won't be home until 4:30pm PST
which, judging by what you've wrote, is after the deadline.

Any chance of ULPU, at least for a couple extra hours? Or a couple hour delay on turn due, that would work.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Roanon:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by geoschmo:
The problem isn't a lack of funds. We need someone that can figure out what's wrong with the code and fix it. Since we don't have that we are going to have to limp by and do the best we can until we can. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I thought it was a problem with the forum database table? Is someone working on it? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The forum database is messed up and causing the numerous "500 errors" people are seeing when they try to add people to games, etc. We have also been getting reports form people that PBW is "spamming" them, sending new turn files over and over, dozens of times. This is not affecting everyone, and I don't think it's related to the forum problem. This is the reason for the down time this weekend as Georgig was trying to get it working. He ended up taking the server down since he could not get it to stop emailing. I have brought the server back up now after turning the email send functions off.

If you are keeping score, PBW no longer recevieves email, sends email, the forums don't work, the graphic UI is hosed (Because of the forum problem), and you get various errors whenever you try to add players to games(also because of the forum problem). The lack of email is going to make it very difficult for new people to join.

Things are pretty bad. Are we working on it? I wish I could say we are. Mostly what we are doing is poking about becaus enone if us really understands how the code and database functions.

I will be sending the server to Tesco in a few weeks. He's going to take over hosting it, and hopefully he will be abel to get a handle on the numerous problems. If not perhaps he can start from scratch and make a new, better PBW.

Geoschmo

[ June 06, 2004, 18:14: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[Roanon]

Originally posted by Tanus:
I could be in trouble with both NGC 4 and 5 then, because I went to do my turns Last night, and it was down, and now I'm at work... and won't be home until 4:30pm PST<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If you are still working 12 hours from now, then you are really working long shifts...

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by Roanon:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Tanus:
I could be in trouble with both NGC 4 and 5 then, because I went to do my turns Last night, and it was down, and now I'm at work... and won't be home until 4:30pm PST<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If you are still working 12 hours from now, then you are really working long shifts... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm on a 22 hour pass now.
I can wait some more before executing.
I will kick oogs tomorrow.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Roanon:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by geoschmo:
The problem isn't a lack of funds. We need someone that can figure out what's wrong with the code and fix it. Since we don't have that we are going to have to limp by and do the best we can until we can. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I thought it was a problem with the forum database table? Is someone working on it? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I will be sending the server to Tesco in a few weeks. He's going to take over hosting it, and hopefully he will be abel to get a handle on the numerous problems. If not perhaps he can start from scratch and make a new, better PBW.

Geoschmo </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Poor Simon... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif , just when he was going to reduce his time a bit. So, Geo, I guess you've already attempted to get some of the original guys who helped build PBW to take a look, huh?

[Roanon]

Originally posted by Ruatha:
I'm on a 22 hour pass now.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">One of these doctors you really really hope to never ever meet near the end of his shift when lying as a helpless victim on an operation table...?

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by Roanon:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Ruatha:
I'm on a 22 hour pass now.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">One of these doctors you really really hope to never ever meet near the end of his shift when lying as a helpless victim on an operation table...? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I quite agree, I'm not as clever and quick at the end of these passes as I belive I am in the beginning, hopefully we will end with these long passes within a year or two, one good thing that comes from the EU.

Never, ever seek hospital care at nights, if you do refuse surgery until morning if possible!!

[Cipher7071]

The problem isn't a lack of funds. We need someone that can figure out what's wrong with the code and fix it. Since we don't have that we are going to have to limp by and do the best we can until we can.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Okay. What language(s) is the buggy code written in? As I said, I don't have much money, but I do have plenty of time. Maybe I can help figure something out.

[tesco samoa]

slynky this is why i am reducing time in other areas http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Slynky]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
slynky this is why i am reducing time in other areas http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, considering your concerns about playing, RL, etc., it's great of you to offer to do this. Really great. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Roanon]

Originally posted by Ruatha:
hopefully we will end with these long passes within a year or two, one good thing that comes from the EU.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm not an EU fan, but I definitely agree on this one. Really silly to expect such superhuman capacities from a doctor, it's neither good for the doctors nor for the patients - and still, only few people consider it abnormal when doctors are working without sleep for such a long time while any truck driver doing so would be thrown into jail for doing this.

[atari_eric]

What is it coded in?

[Mark the Merciful]

I'm willing to help. I'm more of an IT generalist than a programmer, but I get to play around with scripting every now and then.

In fact, there are an awful lot of us who do or can program, who might be able to contribute to dealing with this. PBW or something similar is and will be central to this community of Online SEIV players. How much fun is SEV going to be if PBW is no longer working and it becomes hard to find a multi-player game?

Perhaps we need to get organised.

Mark

[Grauzone]

Originally posted by Mark the Merciful:
I'm willing to help. I'm more of an IT generalist than a programmer, but I get to play around with scripting every now and then.

In fact, there are an awful lot of us who do or can program, who might be able to contribute to dealing with this. PBW or something similar is and will be central to this community of Online SEIV players. How much fun is SEV going to be if PBW is no longer working and it becomes hard to find a multi-player game?

Perhaps we need to get organised.

Mark <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">full agreement. we should found an "developer" community of PBW (or make the source "open"). If i get the access to the code, i'll help.

counter-arguments ???

[DBRaider]

dito!

[Cipher7071]

Double ditto.

I'm not really working in the field right now (i.e. I don't have a job), but I do have a B.S. in Computer Science. I can work in Perl (which is made for this kind of stuff), C++, or Pascal.

Let me know if I can be of some help. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Roanon]

If we can agree to a decent langauge (like PHP, maybe with Javascript), count me in. C++ is really not something for an amateur multi-developer project, and I only know little of Pearl, preferring PHP.

[Cipher7071]

Hmmm. I've never been exposed to PHP. The good thing about Perl is that you can embed the HTML right in the script, and get data from the webpage in a single application. It's a very powerful language. If you've seen it, you know that the syntax is very close to C++.

Something like the Forums shouldn't be horribly complicated to implement. (famous Last words http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif )

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Cipher7071:
Hmmm. I've never been exposed to PHP. The good thing about Perl is that you can embed the HTML right in the script, and get data from the webpage in a single application. It's a very powerful language. If you've seen it, you know that the syntax is very close to C++. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">PHP is a slightly more powerful language than Perl. It can definitely do anything that Perl can do, and is also similar in syntax to C++ (and Perl http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

[Gandalf Parker]

The problem is going to be that all of the Languages can do what all of the Languages can do. Some just do parts easier than others.

IMHO I think C# is great for developers and Perl is a great language for SysAdmins to pick up on, I would personaly rate PHP/MySQL as being more built around the idea of making and managing web sites. The professional book crowd refer to them as LAMP or AMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) and its getting hard to find a book now on just one without the others being included.

But thats just my opinion. Another way to go on this might be to find out who is willing to help and what their backgrounds are in. Better to go with the skills for something that 'works ok' than trying to shift into a 'better' language which bogs the project down?

It could also be modular. The part which handles the turn trasfers might work better in another language than the one that updates webpages. They should be able to operate with each other and have no problems.

-- (sig line) "Id rather hire someone who knew 3 'dead' Languages than someone who was an expert in just one"

[Roanon]

PHP/mySQL is definitely more standard for web applications than Pearl now, having at least the same power and is easy to learn too. Java is nice too, but more complex to learn for beginners.
Pure C++ is great for professional developing, but it requires very good style and education to programm in a way where you can read the code after half a year and still recognize what it does - or should do. Most amateurish C++ can be thrown away if it ever malfunctions and the guy writing the original application isn't available any more. Yes, you CAN do unreadable programs in any language, but most of the time it takes effort where in C++ it takes effort to do clear programming.

[geoschmo]

The PBW code is currently in Java. The server uses Apache and Tomcat for servlet control and has a MySql database.

As far as making the Java code open-source, that's not our call. I can ask Admiral about it. It's his code.

Tesco is going to be taking over the hosting of the server, and he has mentioned to me the possibility of working on a next-generation PBW that might be in a different language. As far as the possibility of making that an open-source project, that sounds interesting to me, but I am not a programmer. Either way it would have to be his call.

Geoschmo

[Grauzone]

Originally posted by Cipher7071:
The good thing about Perl ...
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">i would prefer perl too. this language is a very powerfull tool, which is used in many successfull applications (many code examples for us).

Pro:
scripting language (usability)
simple to learn
many code libraries

Contra:
scripting language (performance)

[Mark the Merciful]

I think this discussion is really important, but we are on the "PBW status" thread. As it has a useful service function, we ought not to spam it too much.

So I'm posting a new topic. See you all there.

Mark

[Ruatha]

Is it possible to reset the server.
i e start with a blank database.
Everybody signs in again and we set up the games anew.

Can it be tested on a clean disk with only the server software and no data: no turnfiles, no shipsets, empty SQL database, no Users, no forums... etc

If we restarted it could be convenient to have 20 dummy players that hosts can use to fill in the empty slots when rebuilding the games at pbw, and then kick when the game is restarted.
If the server works with blank data, give everyone 2-3 weeks to save e-mail adresses and player names etc and then reset.


Just an idea, it might be a bad idea, but still an idea.

[ June 08, 2004, 16:07: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[AMF]

Personally, I'd much rather not see that as the course of action, simply because I think many games would just cease, hosts would be unavailable, etc...I reccomend from now on game hosts backup the turn files each turn (on their local machines). That way if the server goes totally on the fritz then they can run the games as PBEM until the server is back Online. I plan on doing this from now on for the games I am hosting. NOTE: I am knocking on wood right now, to avoid jinxing the darn thing by even bringing up the topic. I'm just playing it safe...

Alarik

Originally posted by Ruatha:
Is it possible to reset the server.
i e start with a blank database.
Everybody signs in again and we set up the games anew.

Can it be tested on a clean disk with only the server software and no data: no turnfiles, no shipsets, empty SQL database, no Users, no forums... etc

If we restarted it could be convenient to have 20 dummy players that hosts can use to fill in the empty slots when rebuilding the games at pbw, and then kick when the game is restarted.
If the server works with blank data, give everyone 2-3 weeks to save e-mail adresses and player names etc and then reset.


Just an idea, it might be a bad idea, but still an idea. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">

[Ruatha]

Right now no one can sign up to PBW as new players.
Mails doesn't go out.
passwords aren't being sent out.
Yes, some games would cease and soem would take time to get going again.
Perhaps two servers running paralell, a new with the same software but no data, and the old one as it is but moved to another adress?

[geoschmo]

Your idea isn't a bad one Ruatha, it's actually something like what I am going to attempt. But it's not the end, only a step in the process of rebuilding the server to hopefully get things working the way they are supposed to. The hardest part of the whole things I think is going to be getting the basic template of the server setup with no data. Once I get there it should be no problem to copy the current user, mod and game data into the places it belongs. It should not be neccesary to make everybody start from scratch and setup all there games over again. Although, if it becomes neccesary that would be certainly preferable to no PBW at all.

[Gandalf Parker]

Is it the database that is corrupted? Or the code that accesses it? I have copies of the old code if that will help for comparison. And maybe bits of the database can be extracted. In any case it should be copied before a new one is started.

And I guess maybe a scheduled copy-to-backup needs to be included in the code (this Version or new project)

[geoschmo]

Part of the problem is we really don't know if it's the database or not. That's one of the things that this rebuild process will help to determine.

[Gandalf Parker]

A quick script to access the database and read out the key-fields should help clarify. Im guessing the key is the login? If you read out a 100 logins and then the next few are garbage, its the database. Actualy I think I would check then end of it first. Someone may have put in characters it didnt like. Deleting the Last dozen records might fix it.

Was there changes recently to the signup scrupt? What does linux show as a change date? Going to the directory with the java scripts and running a
ls -blart
will have the newest changed files at the very end of the display.

[Asmala]

Being a host for a dozen Koth games I hope we won't restart the server http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[capnq]

A ray of hope in PBW's dark night... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

According to my new "Teach Yourself MySQL" book, there's a MySQL utility that can diagnose a corrupt database and repair it.

I'll send Geo instructions on how to run this as soon as I get it typed up.

The first thing the repair chapter advises is "don't panic". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by capnq:
A ray of hope in PBW's dark night... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

According to my new "Teach Yourself MySQL" book, there's a MySQL utility that can diagnose a corrupt database and repair it.


<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I was going to suggest using phpMyAdmin to figure out the problem with MySQL if there is any. But of course PHP will need to be installed on the server for it to work. It is a great utility and makes handling databases in MySQL a snap. I use it here at work to manage our website databases and others.

[geoschmo]

It turns out that the new user signup function on PBW is not merely hampered like I thought, it's alltogether broken. No Users will be able to sign up for PBW until we can get that fixed. Exsisting Users should still be able to join and play games, with the workarounds for the known issues.

I am in the middle of finals, so I really don't have time for this unfortunatly. I am also going out of town this weekend. When I get back I'll have a week before my next classes get rolling. I will try my best to get some of this stuff working at that point.

Muddle through as best you can. If you have any friends wanting to signup, please give them our appologies.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

We are going to be down for a bit today. Bear with us. A little problem we have to try and work out.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
We are going to be down for a bit today. Bear with us. A little problem we have to try and work out. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Since it's coming up on 6 or 7 hours unavailable, is there an estimate for "a bit today"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[geoschmo]

All day at least. Maybe late tonight if I get lucky. If not we may be down till Sunday or so.

[Roanon]

Sunday - no typo? 4 days is a little more than "a bit today" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Sounds very severe - can you use any help/hints/anything? Should the emergency replacement servers be started?

[Edward]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Let's all hope Geo gets lucky http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .
My wife is wondering why I'm doing so much work around the house, hell mabey I might get lucky. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Edward:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Let's all hope Geo gets lucky http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .
My wife is wondering why I'm doing so much work around the house, hell mabey I might get lucky. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If Geo gets lucky, you won't... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Atrocities]

Is PBW off line right now? 4 pm PST, June 9th

[General Woundwort]

9:25 PM EST, still down... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

EDIT - new sig

[ June 10, 2004, 05:28: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

[Toro]

Man I need the site to stop going down or i'll die

Toro

[Tanus]

No changes yet... I'm going into withdrawal.

11pm PST (2am EST)

[LGM]

I have an outstanding turn to work on while the server is done. I shall have to ration it, doing a little at a time. Thanks to the nice 1.91 feature, I can save it and come back to it.

I'll move some ships tonight and tomorrow morning. Tomorrow night I will update my designs.

Then I will fill my queues.

And if the server is not up still, I will analyze every system to see what can be done to optimize production.

Maybe I'll get more sleep too.

[trooper]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
All day at least. Maybe late tonight if I get lucky. If not we may be down till Sunday or so. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ok, you win, where must we send the cheques ?
How many zeros on it ?
Maybe you'd prefer cash instead ?

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Cipher7071]

12:30 PM EDT, Saturday, June 10
Still inaccessable.

Man I need the site to stop going down or i'll die
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Toro, you're going to die when the site goes up too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Cipher7071:
12:30 PM EDT, Saturday, June 10
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's Saturday already?!

[Cipher7071]

Oops, I don't why I did that. That's pretty bad. I've been one day off before, but two? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

Make that Thursday, June 10.

[ June 10, 2004, 17:53: Message edited by: Cipher7071 ]

[Edward]

Originally posted by Cipher7071:
Oops, I don't why I did that. That's pretty bad. I've been one day off before, but two? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

Make that Thursday, June 10. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It’s just SEIV withdrawal Cipher, the symptoms are starting to show. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[TurinTurambar]

OMG OMG OMG !

They're all over me! Get them off! Get them off!

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[Intimidator]

Okay guys,

Tell me that it isn't true, I just noticed that PBW is back Online.

AND ALL OF MY GAMES ARE GONE........... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I could use an expanation before I kill my self.

Inti,

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Intimidator:

AND ALL OF MY GAMES ARE GONE........... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I would not worry about it. I only have one game in my list but I am sure Geo make back ups before doing anything that might have caused the games to be removed.

[geoschmo]

PBW isn't up yet. Please don't kill yourself.

[Roanon]

I guess Geo is still rebuilding the database and not finished yet. And he didn't think that the very instant he puts it back Online dozens of PBW junkies with withdrawal symptoms will jump onto it and check every bit and byte they of course know personally http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[geoschmo]

Actually I expect it Roanon, and it's quite humerous. Especially when I brought it up a few minutes ago without the userid's and I watched 3 or 4 of you banging away within 30 seconds trying to get in despite it telling you your logon didn't exsist. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Intimidator]

Sorry, was to eager................ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

[Ruatha]

Now all seems ok..

[AMF]

Ok, as of 4:54PM EST, it looks good to me AND I got an email about a turn deadline - is the email functionality bak up then? Coolness! Thanks Geo et al for all your hard work!

Alarik

[Toro]

im in 2 games and there is no send turn option on both game pages

Sweet game and teammates game 2

Toro

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by Toro:
im in 2 games and there is no send turn option on both game pages

Sweet game and teammates game 2

Toro <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And you haven't already uploaded?

[Toro]

no i have already http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

is it normal that way?
if so sorry

Toro

[Slynky]

And I see the graphic Version is working again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Slynky:
And I see the graphic Version is working again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">As are the game forums, at least from the graphic way of getting there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

So Geo, what was the problem? Or do you still not know?

[geoschmo]

Yes, I know. More information tonight.

Graphic UI working.

Email sending is working for news and new turns, although you still can't send in a turn via email yet.

Forums are working, but I don't have the links to the game forums back up yet. For now you can get to them through the main forum page and click "Show all game forums" at the bottom.

Auto turns are still off.

Have fun, I'm going to go get drunk. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

[ June 10, 2004, 21:22: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Have fun, I'm going to go get drunk. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Have fun. And remember to post here the Last thing you do before you go to bed tonight! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[AMF]

Yeah, we love reading the "posting whilst drunk" Messages! I've had some doozies in that way myself...

Originally posted by Ruatha:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by geoschmo:
Have fun, I'm going to go get drunk. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Have fun. And remember to post here the Last thing you do before you go to bed tonight! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">

[AMF]

Hey, did we happen to say that you rock? Thanks!

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Yes, I know. More information tonight.

Graphic UI working.
...Have fun, I'm going to go get drunk. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">

[Gandalf Parker]

You should never drink and drive the Super-Information Highway.
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_7_6.gif ('http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008')

[Roanon]

I think a drink was never more deserved than now.

Cheers, Geo !! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Grandpa Kim]

Yeah, Geo! Post while drunk. If I can understand "Newfie", I can understand anything.

BTW, I know how you feel when everything finally clicks into place. Ain't it grand! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Sivran]

Sweetness http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Now I can resume pestering CW to change things in Invasion, madly researching in LastHope6, and plotting destruction in other games!

[Ruatha]

I never doubted a second you'd fix it!

What? The emergency server... ooh..

that...

hmm..

yes...

well...

hmm.....

...I know!

It was just to calm down all the overanxious PBW players in my hosted games, nothing more!
Myself, I never doubted you a second!
Sure.
Truly..

Anyway, good Job! Well Done! and all that!
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ June 11, 2004, 01:41: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[Ed Kolis]

So... does this mean no PBW2? I was kind of looking forward to working on that! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Baron Grazic]

I was certainly surprised reading my email to find a 'New Turn Avilable' message.

Well done Geo & Team.

Edit - PS. I think the PBW server's time is fast by about 5 minutes.

[ June 11, 2004, 04:00: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

[Combat Wombat]

I have found a problem in a few games I am in. There seems to be some problem with the SE4 Version for a few games.

SE4 Version: unknown: 191i031 <---Invasion!
SE4 Version: unknown: Adamant1336 <---Adamant

Games Affected: Adamant 011, Adamant 012, Invasion!, Invasion! 2nd Wave

[ June 11, 2004, 04:03: Message edited by: Combat Wombat ]

[parabolize]

Originally posted by Combat Wombat:
I have found a problem in a few games I am in. There seems to be some problem with the SE4 Version for a few games.

SE4 Version: unknown: 191i031 <---Invasion!
SE4 Version: unknown: Adamant1336 <---Adamant

Games Affected: Adamant 011, Adamnat 012, Invasion!, Invasion! 2nd Wave <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">same here.
what was Trek_Bab5 Mod_ver_1.3
is now (unknown: 191TrekBab513)

edit: this is for Insane Galaxy IV

[ June 11, 2004, 04:07: Message edited by: parabolize ]

[LGM]

It appears the 'Finish' feature for hosts is working again. Nice to get the dead empires out of the list so players don't try to join those spots.

[se5a]

WW000HHOOoo!!!
*joins Geo's celebration*

[Karibu]

Now, I crab some soda and popcorn and sit down to watch while all the anxious SEIV players bring server down by rushing to make their turns simultaneously http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif .

[primitive]

Woohaa !!
The Primitive Hordes are r(a)iding again. Hide your wives and daughters.

Kudos to Geo and the team for a job well done.

[AMF]

Off to paypal to send Geo some beer money, now that I'm getting my butt kicked by Gandalph again...

Alarik

[Intimidator]

Originally posted by Combat Wombat:
I have found a problem in a few games I am in. There seems to be some problem with the SE4 Version for a few games.

SE4 Version: unknown: 191i031 <---Invasion!
SE4 Version: unknown: Adamant1336 <---Adamant

Games Affected: Adamant 011, Adamant 012, Invasion!, Invasion! 2nd Wave <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Same problem with my 'STAR TREK : quadrants of conflict 'game, it uses STM 1.72

Inti,

[Intimidator]

Originally posted by Combat Wombat:
I have found a problem in a few games I am in. There seems to be some problem with the SE4 Version for a few games.

SE4 Version: unknown: 191i031 <---Invasion!
SE4 Version: unknown: Adamant1336 <---Adamant

Games Affected: Adamant 011, Adamant 012, Invasion!, Invasion! 2nd Wave <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Same problem with my 'STAR TREK : quadrants of conflict 'game, it uses STM 1.72

Inti,

[Ed Kolis]

If the mod just got uninstalled, why don't we upgrade to 1.74 while we're at it?

[AMF]

Downloading the turn files and running the game manually might work...

Originally posted by Intimidator:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Combat Wombat:
I have found a problem in a few games I am in. There seems to be some problem with the SE4 Version for a few games.

SE4 Version: unknown: 191i031 <---Invasion!
SE4 Version: unknown: Adamant1336 <---Adamant

Games Affected: Adamant 011, Adamant 012, Invasion!, Invasion! 2nd Wave <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Same problem with my 'STAR TREK : quadrants of conflict 'game, it uses STM 1.72

Inti, </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">

[Combat Wombat]

Originally posted by alarikf:
Downloading the turn files and running the game manually might work...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Intimidator:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Combat Wombat:
I have found a problem in a few games I am in. There seems to be some problem with the SE4 Version for a few games.

SE4 Version: unknown: 191i031 <---Invasion!
SE4 Version: unknown: Adamant1336 <---Adamant

Games Affected: Adamant 011, Adamant 012, Invasion!, Invasion! 2nd Wave <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Same problem with my 'STAR TREK : quadrants of conflict 'game, it uses STM 1.72

Inti, </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana"></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So no word from the admins about all of this?

[Grauzone]

Originally posted by Intimidator:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Combat Wombat:
I have found a problem in a few games I am in. There seems to be some problem with the SE4 Version for a few games.

SE4 Version: unknown: 191i031 <---Invasion!
SE4 Version: unknown: Adamant1336 <---Adamant

Games Affected: Adamant 011, Adamant 012, Invasion!, Invasion! 2nd Wave <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Same problem with my 'STAR TREK : quadrants of conflict 'game, it uses STM 1.72

Inti, </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">same problem by game "Solaris VII":

game type: 191grau096
schould be: v1.91 + GrauMod v0.96

also GrauMod is not available by creation of new PBW Game.

Grauzone

[Grauzone]

Originally posted by Grauzone:
...
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">executed the game offline. upload to PBW failed.

possible cause: GrauMod.gam is nearly 3MB large.

[AMF]

If you ZIP it, the PBW upload can accept a zipped file, that should work. Happnes with 101 and a few other games I do manually a lot.


Originally posted by Grauzone:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Grauzone:
...
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">executed the game offline. upload to PBW failed.

possible cause: GrauMod.gam is nearly 3MB large. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">

[Grauzone]

Originally posted by alarikf:
If you ZIP it, the PBW upload can accept a zipped file, that should work. Happnes with 101 and a few other games I do manually a lot.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">doesn't work. tested before posted here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[AMF]

Hmmm...is PBW down again? as of 12:18 EST I can't get to anything there...

[mottlee]

Originally posted by alarikf:
Hmmm...is PBW down again? as of 12:18 EST I can't get to anything there... <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">OK OK OK...I need a fix...come on anyone!?

[Fyron]

I thought the forums were working again? When I click on the Forums link on the Community page, it displays the main login page below the normal row of icons (in the graphics mode).

[capnq]

Somehow the recent problems have left PBW confused about what Version some games are running under. We're working on it; keep reporting these so we know which games are affected.

I haven't been able to duplicate Fyron's problem with the Forums.

capnq
PBW admin

[Fyron]

I am using Mozilla Firefox.

[geoschmo]

Ok, the problem with the mods was simple. When I fixed things Thursday I restored a Version of the code from March, so all mods added since then weren't showing up anymore. That should be fixed now. If you have a turn for one of those games that failed in the mean time you should be able to process now. If you have one that ran with the stock Version and didn't fail we'll have to set it back a turn for you. Let us know.

Geoschmo

[parabolize]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Ok, the problem with the mods was simple. When I fixed things Thursday I restored a Version of the code from March, so all mods added since then weren't showing up anymore. That should be fixed now. If you have a turn for one of those games that failed in the mean time you should be able to process now. If you have one that ran with the stock Version and didn't fail we'll have to set it back a turn for you. Let us know.

Geoschmo <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Insane Galaxy IV ran with stock and needs a set back.
Thanks for everybody's time.

[Roanon]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I am using Mozilla Firefox. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm also using Mozilla and the forums are working fine for me also. Some security/cookie setting?