Canadian OOB

[Imp]

There seem some issues with a few DW platoons, namely by my thinking DW splits up the squad with the mortar so it should not be available for selection.

This is only an issue in a few formations, namely Motor & Ski the rest seem fine so could use as template possibly.
Example formation 321 Mech Inf Plat DW seems correct

DW Motor Infantry Formations 332, 335 & 336 Motor should not include squad unit 103

DW Ski & BV formations are also wrong 314, 317, 337 & 338
They use the heavy ski troops, should be regular ski troops as at present all squads carry mortars.
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Also formation 30 Inf Co-Det Wpns could possibly be deleted - it is formation 28 in a different order without the sniper & not a DW formation (2012 date)

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Just for reference if people have not tried them in game terms these are very capable infantry formations. I must admit to buying as a regular Infantry Company & swapping one platoon for the DW platoon.

Vs dug in units or ATGMS this is a very efficient fighting unit which can produce its own smoke screen.
10 Squads
3 AT teams
Sniper
LMG team (or another mmg if you wish)
MMG
2 Light mortar units

[Imp]

Also Canada has no MANPADS in service I think they at least used the British Starstreak though no idea if they had anything before that.

[DRG]

AFAIK, ADAT's is the one and only air defense system when the Javelins were taken OOS a few years ago but if anyone has any solid evidence to the contrary let me know

Ah interesting....... according to wiki ( so of course there will be further investigation....... "As of late 2012, the ADATS has been withdrawn from Canadian service with no planned replacement announced."

which I guess leaves us throwing rocks...... OTOH we haven't needed to shoot down enemy aircraft and helos because the ones we've been dealing with don't have any and I'm finding "talk" ( nothing "official" yet ) that the TOW-2 will be cut...... apparently ( this is sarcasm..) the Liberal Party of Canada has taken over the DND

However, I will resist making changes this year as the dust has not entirely settled on the matter

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Somehow I feel setup here !?! Well unlike "Southpark" I would never bomb Canada, however it makes you wonder why your "bean counters" would after spending over 100 million U.S. dollars to aquire the TOW/TOW2 systems and missiles think that by taking them out of service and saving 20 million dollars in doing so is a savings. Must be that "new math" I keep hearing about!?! Here we call it the F-35 when we have and are updating the F-22 with the same electronics. But I digress...But fear not ADATS/TOW/JAVELIN S-15 are still good at least through sometime in 2014 for now. In order of reports...
http://canadiandefence.com/canadian-...ce-capability/
http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2012/...outside-bases/

From the next ref. below. Item 3 dated 2/5/2013.
"What They Do
Air Defence Artillery Soldiers are members of Air Defence Artillery units of the Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery. The Air Defence Artillery is part of the Combat Arms, but its primary function is to prevent enemy aircraft from interfering with our operations, especially by defending airfields. Air Defence Artillery Soldiers — normally called “Air Defence Gunners” — have the following primary duties:

Operate and maintain air defence weapons systems, including the ADATS, the Javelin S-15 and the Oerlikon twin 35-mm gun;"
http://www.index.forces.gc.ca/Srch.a...rmat=&CurPag=1

Next ref. modified on 8/30/2013...
http://www.army-armee.forces.gc.ca/e...nt/index.page?

Next ref. current I'll call it "For whom the bell tolls..." Program 1.3 is what you want here...
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-rep...page?#sec2_1_3

Some say this might resurrect the CCV and MMEV Program (Look for the LAV-TOW near bottom for MMEV info.) Ref. below on those is a click away...
http://casr.ca/bg-vehicles.htm

All are from Canada and mostly from CF MOD/ARMY sites.

JAVELIN S-15 isn't that STARSTREAK? Why say your training your troops in a system if you don't have it? Now that would be a waste of money!?! The "new math" , glad I got my degree when I did!?!

Regards,
Pat

[Imp]

As always Pat thanks for taking the time, your quiet toiling away is much appreciated.

[DRG]

No I didn't " set you up" but thanks for digging into it

Interesting little tidbit here

C1/C3 Howitzer and 60 mm Mortar Ammunition

• 28 C1 Howitzers (105mm), 4 C3 Howitzers (105mm) and the Canadian Army's inventory of 60mm mortar ammunition will be divested. As a result of the recent acquisition of the M777 Howitzer, these weapons are now redundant and no longer required.

that changes a few things

and this

TOW Weapon Systems

• Three fleets within the wider in-service support to Close Support Weapons component have been identified for divestment:
  1. 33 Tube-launched Optically tracked Wire guided missile (TOW) Under Armour turrets;
  2. 40 TOW 2 systems; and
  3. 2,200 TOW missiles.
• Divesting these systems will result in a savings in National Procurement maintenance funding. This weapon system has been replaced by more capable systems

What I want to know is ( and this doesn't mean you have to look for it as the question is more rhetorical in nature....) is WHICH "more capable systems" have they found to replace the TOW2 !!

What's confusing ( and it may be made that deliberately ) is they identify 40 Tow 2 systems but in point three they just say TOW missiles so those * could be" the older TOWs that were left over after upgrading to the newer TOW2

I've put this post on the to do list to dig into as there is a lot here to sort through but keep in mind this is what they say they will do but politics can change that which is why I would really rather wait until the dust settles before rearranging units in the OOB

[DRG]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Somehow I feel setup here !?! Well unlike "Southpark" I would never bomb Canada, however it makes you wonder why your "bean counters" would after spending over 100 million U.S. dollars to aquire the TOW/TOW2 systems and missiles think that by taking them out of service and saving 20 million dollars in doing so is a savings. Must be that "new math" I keep hearing about!?! Here we call it the F-35 when we have and are updating the F-22 with the same electronics. But I digress...But fear not ADATS/TOW/JAVELIN S-15 are still good at least through sometime in 2014 for now. In order of reports...

another source claims the S-15 is no longer in service

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I believe we might be dealing with a couple of possibilities using the 3rd & 4th CAF refs (In order.) from my last post...
The 3rd ref said training included all three systems discussed to include the JAVELIN S-15. The 4th ref again modified (Lower right.) in 8/2013 seven months later doesn't show the JAVELIN S-15. Conclusion: The JAVELIN S-15 went out of service between 1/2013 and 8/2013.

2. Just using the CAF training ref #3. Conclusion: There is no clear evidence the CAF sold them off. That being said, if stored and due to the CAF's limited AA options it is not unlikely they would still be training on the system and would have the capability of maintaining operator proficiency.
STRIX and the discussions and refs we had lead to the same conclusion and we also decided to keep them operational which I still believe was the right decision then and now as we had more to work with.

3. I need to recheck Johns Thread from a few months back. Once I realized they weren't discussing the the ATGW (I do what I can to entertain you all whether it's intended or not. ) I came across some info. I'll recheck.

Regards,
Pat