What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies

[cbreedon]

It's a year and a half away. Does the game die then? Or will the designers at least open the dates so people can make their own updates? It would be sad if it just becomes obsolete in the very near future.

[Suhiir]

WinSPMBT originally ended in 2020 and was extended to 2025.

As to what happens in 2025 that depends entirely on Don and Andy.

BUT !
Given some of the recent tech that's becoming common place (mini-drones, various anti-drone systems, artillery/missile intercept/destruction systems, electronic camouflage/invisibility, robots, cyberwarfare, etc.), stuff WinSPMBT was never designed/coded to deal with going beyond 2025 with the sort of tech/capability accuracy WinSPMBT is famous for would be VERY difficult as it would require basically redesign/coding of the entire game.
So don't hold your breath.

(Note: This is ENTIRELY my opinion and has zero input from Don/Andy.)

[EJ]

All things eventually come to an end BUT I hope not this game in the near future. I hope Don & Andy have a plan to keep this game going beyond 2025. This is one of my favorite tactical strategy games. Will it requiring a complete rebuild to remain relevant beyond 2025? If so I will support it by buying it all over again if necessary!

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Providing as mentioned, Andy and Don should decide to carry on I plan to submit my last submission in the Feb. - March 2026 timeframe.

GEEZ, I don't know speaking for myself I'll not quite be to my 67th year if a patch is released in 2026 with full retirement less than a year after that.

I figure I'll have more time to actually play the game instead working on it along with my regular job and all the wonderful things life throws our way.

It'll be the last opportunity to adjust dates and get some of the equipment into the game such as ARMATA, ALTAY (NEW), LeClerc XLR and ABRAMS M1A2C (SEP 3) which as of this writing still has not reached FOC from the USA.

Also going into the technical aspects is the fact that we can't model the defensive anti-drone systems already in the field from handheld to fully vehicle mounted systems using high speed frequency (ESM) to the more recently practical laser systems. And even simpler systems that "shoot out" nets to "capture" smaller drones.

I would hope we "temper" our desire to add too many drones and other similar systems because those systems against them exist and more importantly we would in fairness have to enter them into about every OOB currently in the game.

The only NEW major land-based system to do so in 2022 from the USA to reach FOC was the AMPV around last fall as I reported.

When I built and submitted the ABRAMS SEP 2 the "magic" number as I remember it took 8 Armored Brigade Combat Teams (ABCT) to be fully equipped with the ABRAMS M1A2 SEP 2 before the USA fielded it.
https://www.army.mil/standto/archive...rt%20battalion.

This is all army.mil has on the ABRAMS M1A2C/SEP 3

https://www.army.mil/article/255225/...al_defender_22
https://www.army.mil/article/256365/...rations_summit
(Note Para 11 as it pertains to Poland and this discussion.)
https://www.army.mil/article/258709/...ent_and_future
(They were the first unit to get the first of the M1A2C tanks in late 2020.)

I know an ABCT out of Ft. Stewart, Ga. just got fitted out this past year and should just about now or soon be at Ft. Irwin Training Grounds for "finishing school" and qualification to be certified as operational with their new equipment to include M1A2C, AMPV, Paladin A7 and others.

All you need to know about ABRAMS is here to build a timeline.
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...updated-02834/

"July 8/22: Stryker General Dynamics Land Systems won external link a maximum $145.5 million deal for multiple spare parts in the Abrams Main Battle Tank, Stryker Family of Vehicles, Light Armored Vehicle Family of Vehicles, Cougar, Buffalo and RG-31. This was a sole-source acquisition using justification 10 US Code 2304(c)(1), as stated in Federal Acquisition Regulation 6.302-1. The M1 Abrams entered service in 1980 and currently serves as the main battle tank of the United States Army and formerly the Marine Corps. Work will take place in Florida. Estimated completion date is July 29, 2029."

Not all will see conversion to the M1A2C or M1A2D it seems.

As you can see, we have a lot of "outliners" still out there with maybe Ukrainian F-16 "land attack" jets within 2 years.

Stock up on your favorite "headache" relief product this could all prove interesting.

Regards,
Pat

[blazejos]

Meaby that is a good time to close SPMBT like SPWW2 in fixed timeframe and start to thinking about new game SPWW3 with all that innovations and OOB can be free of many stuff from Cold War.

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by blazejos

Meaby that is a good time to close SPMBT like SPWW2 in fixed timeframe and start to thinking about new game SPWW3 with all that innovations and OOB can be free of many stuff from Cold War.

Probably.

But who's gonna make it?
Don and Andy are two people not a game development company. Don handles graphics, OOBs, etc. Andy is the coder. Two people ... two. Even if they wanted to create SPWW3 it would take YEARS for one person to code it.

[Dion]

I think they should simply extend the years and update the game yearly. Simple solution. I think it would be best.

[carp]

Originally Posted by Dion

I think they should simply extend the years and update the game yearly. Simple solution. I think it would be best.

"They?" "They?" "THEY?" Quite kind of you, podner. Do you have any clue as to how much of their lives have gone by the wayside staring at screens for the sheer dedication to seeing something work and knowing people appreciate that work? Yet, here some people come along and say, "Get up out of the well-earned Nursing Home Bed, and satisfy my unending desire for more cheap thrills."

Of course, there is the notion YOU could learn a bit of coding, and Paint, apply yourself to immersion in reference manuals and research, then take the job on for everyone yourself, but I'm sure your life might get in the way. Such is the pity. I was so looking forward to your 2026 through 2047 updates. Especially now that one brigade can have 200 FPV drones in the air at one time, and those "Turtle Tanks" can be modified to have main guns with only a 45 egree arc of fire until the cages come off. Come-on, Lad, Hop to it. Make that fit into a balance scenario.

How about those tricky Russians having every other or third tank's ERA filled with bricks or sand? Can you randomly code which blocks get that? Give up beer and sex. Things will go faster.

We await your product, WITH BATED BREATH.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

On the shots of the rear of those tanks I'm not seeing any signs of prop guards, props, hydro jets, rudder or raised engine exhaust housing to prevent water from getting into the engine.

It could only operate as an amphib by using it's tracks however, if that's the case I can guarantee it won't operate effectively at all in an ocean environment.

Another limiting is how much armor does it have? On the "face of it" it looks fairly well protected. Below I offer a "case study" of where armor killed it's full amphibious capability. It also brings up a couple of factors I mentioned in my Para 1.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230801...apc/zbd_08.htm

They sort of remind me of the Indonesian version of Turkeys "KAPLAN" medium tank I submitted a few months back.

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

They sort of remind me of the Indonesian version of Turkeys "KAPLAN" medium tank I submitted a few months back.

Regards,
Pat

Yep
Don