Help, read all the faqs, playing demo, dont know how to PLAY...

Norfleet · #1 July 22nd, 2004, 12:15 AM

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Originally posted by Endoperez:
Don't order them on suicide run before the turn during which they would leave you (1 turn left on bid list).

Don't? You mean *DO*, right? If you're not planning to, or able to, afford to rehire them, you should go ahead and deny them to your opponents as well. Or at least kill them down to the Last commander, as the AI will happily hire an entirely depleted mercenary group consisting of a single commander. Don't forget to give him something nice, like a Bane Venom Charm.

Endoperez · #2 July 22nd, 2004, 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by Norfleet:

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Originally posted by Endoperez:
Don't order them on suicide run before the turn during which they would leave you (1 turn left on bid list).

Don't? You mean *DO*, right?

*Before* the turn they are leaving... I want to get as much as possible from them.

Arryn · #3 July 22nd, 2004, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by Gavinfox:
This game is REALLY REALLY hard and is REALLY REALLY under-documented...

While this is true of "official" documentation, there are plenty of fan-created docs that will help you. May I suggest the following:

1. Download the various docs I have available on my site.
2. Follow the links I have on my site to other sites and download the docs you may find there (notably, the stuff on Sunray's site regarding playing various nations).
3. Read the AARs (After-Action Reports) for various nations that are to be found on this forum.

Once you've done all this homework you may find that most (if not all) of your questions have been answered. The forum's SEARCH feature is also useful ...

Arryn · #4 July 22nd, 2004, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by Gavinfox:
there has to be one simple way to win, for at least one narrow civ and god thats agreed on as a very workable strategy? something that tells me what i should be trying to achieve at any given moment?

There is no such thing. Even concentrating on how to play just one (of 17) nations, strategies can (and do) change dramatically depending on the map you choose, the strength of independents, where on the map you begin, etc. Oh, and strategies that work against AIs may fail miserably versus human opponents.

Molog · #5 July 22nd, 2004, 01:22 AM

A simple way to win against AI is with Ermor Ashen empire. Take a ghost king. Take full negative scales on everything, except luck and magic. Take 10 dominion. Give your ghost king a bit of every kind of magic minus blood or 4 in nature. Just make some bischops, have them reanimate warriors and keep attacking. Have your ghost king search each province.

Gavinfox · #6 July 22nd, 2004, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by Arryn:

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Originally posted by Gavinfox:
there has to be one simple way to win, for at least one narrow civ and god thats agreed on as a very workable strategy? something that tells me what i should be trying to achieve at any given moment?

There is no such thing. Even concentrating on how to play just one (of 17) nations, strategies can (and do) change dramatically depending on the map you choose, the strength of independents, where on the map you begin, etc. Oh, and strategies that work against AIs may fail miserably versus human opponents.

What I meant was, "Give me a good simple, win-in-40-turns strategy, controlling all possible variables, which will help me to understand various parts of the game as possible with the demo."

Gandalf Parker · #7 July 22nd, 2004, 02:40 AM

We can try but how do you play? If you tend to mass armies and charge in like berserker then it will be very different than if you prefer to use scouts and sneaking armies. I REALLY dont want to insult you or anything but this game isnt for everyone. Some people prefer arcade games where the path is obvious and you just keep trying it till you get past it. Some people like games like chess where all the pieces are equal on both sides and its only who uses the best strategy. This game is well designed for people who really REALLY prefer to come up with their own strategys and tactics. Lots of choices about nation, pretender, equipment, tactics. Some of us have had it over a year and are still finding new tactics. The problem it causes is that we can give you what works for us but there is no gaurantee it will work for you. The game is balanced pretty well that way. Personally, I prefer playing Man or Pangaea in sneak-army mode but my tactics fail horribly for other people.

My suggestion was Ulm because its the lowest learning curve. Its armored units with resistance to magic scale. You build armies and attack. I suggested man, ctis, and pangaea as opponents because the computer AI doesnt play them very well. Do not put Ermor, water nations, caelum, or abyssia in as opponents because explaining what to do when you meet them is a whole new subject. I recommended turning up independents because even though it seems harder for you to beat them, you will do better than the computer. If you have independents at the default of 3 or lower then the AI's will swarm you way too soon. If you play Ulm then you can stand some help in the area of food, archers, and flyers. That means its good to attack provinces that say it has druids, jade amazons, raptors, and any archer types.

[ July 22, 2004, 01:44: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]