Best National Hero?

Cainehill · #1 August 29th, 2004, 05:51 PM

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Endoperez said:
Aboleth of R'lyeh is pretty strong, too, with hundred or two hps. He also has high Astral magic and IIRC attack that enslaves, or was it kills?, if target fails mr roll.

He has no item slots apart from (I think) two miscellanous ones, and is aquatic, but still pretty powerful and very thematic. He isn't the most powerful, though, and if you look at that score he isn't the best.

Yep. And Aboleth just let me take out Bogus and company who were besieging a fortress of mine, without needing equiped SCs or lots of mages to do it. Aboleth, a diseased prophet who was about to die (and did so against Bogus), and some of those mindless cheap R'lyeh troops. Bingo - 1 dead commander, 13 dead troops, and 3 of Bogus's crews are now in my armies. Sweet.

Aboleth is very good; so is Ambicephalos, which is about as nice an SC-chassis as you could hope for. I'm not sure what the one person meant about CW having "too many heroes" - 3, same as most nations, as I only know of one that has just 2, Jotunheim. TC's immortals ain't bad either, if only TC could keep positive dominion.

Sheap · #2 August 29th, 2004, 06:02 PM

All the Pangaea nations have four heroes (Harpy Queen, White Minotaur, Black Bull, and Sheap Head). CW adds Panicratos the Apostatic Warrior, and Ambicephalos, without taking any of the others away, as far as I know. So, has a total of six.

Cainehill · #3 August 29th, 2004, 09:55 PM

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Sheap said:
All the Pangaea nations have four heroes (Harpy Queen, White Minotaur, Black Bull, and Sheap Head). CW adds Panicratos the Apostatic Warrior, and Ambicephalos, without taking any of the others away, as far as I know. So, has a total of six.

Sheap Head? Never ever seen that one. And I've never seen the White Minotaur with CW. I'd forgotten about Panicratos though - only seen him once. (In about 10 or so CW games, and 3 or 4 New Era.)

Sheap · #4 August 29th, 2004, 10:02 PM

Well, Ram's Head. But I have a certain affinity for him

odd_enuf · #5 August 29th, 2004, 10:40 PM

speaking of aribeth, how do you use his enslave mind attack, is it attack or fire?

odd_enuf

Cainehill · #6 August 29th, 2004, 11:44 PM

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odd_enuf said:
speaking of aribeth, how do you use his enslave mind attack, is it attack or fire?

odd_enuf

Pretty sure it had to be fire - I scripted Auluudh the Aboleth with a few buffs and then fire, and wound up with Bogus and 2 pals.

Wonder if it should be reported as a bug that "Enslave Mind" displays "Damage: Death" when you look at him? (Also, Enslave Mind has ammo, which usually implies 'Fire'; I'm really not sure the supposed mechanics / effect of Soul Leech, whether it's just damage, or like life drain, or.... Never had him before, except in a quick test game, given that "Try_Something_New" is my first time with R'lyeh in MP)

Taqwus · #7 August 30th, 2004, 01:19 PM

In terms of being a combat monster, Ambicephalos is certainly rather extreme. He keeps his many sleep vine attacks even if you fill up his three hand slots, IIRC, and two heads + three hands + foot + misc + zero-enc + high hp base allows for numerous interesting options, and he even has recuperation.

If you're more into mages, Orokestes (Arco) and Bart the Patriarch (Pythium) could both be rather nasty given that both nations have a decent shot at a communion machine. Angerboda is much more robust, however.