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[Scott Hebert]

Exactly, there is very little argument for or against the existence of a god.

I do not believe I said that, or anything remotely resembling that. Please do not agree to overgeneralizations of my statements, as they will make people believe I said one thing when I did not.

And you could easily extend it and say that they believed that they/a god had given the powers to everyone. I would say advocates of magic/miracles are just as likely to put limits on the powers. "Sorry, out of newts eye, no potions tonight","How am I supposed to teleport something made of iron?".

But is the limitation moral in nature? There's also the question of the ability to command. Miracles, whatever people believe, cannot be called upon at will by humans, being as they are a special manifestation of God's will. One can ask for a miracle, and one may receive it in response to that asking, but the power is not human's.

Magic normally involves a formulaic ability to impose one's will on the surroundings. The distinction, that in miracles it is God's will, and in magic it is the human's will, is important.

And as for those people who believe they can command the power of God, or those that believe their ability for magic comes from elsewhere, I think they are confusing the idea of miracle and magic.

[The_Tauren13]

Scott Hebert said:
The distinction, that in miracles it is God's will, and in magic it is the human's will, is important.

So lets say I make a magical potion that prevents arthritis. Then lets say god makes a miracle that cures everyone of arthritis. Why is my potion so much worse?

[Scott Hebert]

The_Tauren13 said:
So lets say I make a magical potion that prevents arthritis. Then lets say god makes a miracle that cures everyone of arthritis. Why is my potion so much worse?

Where did you get the power to cure it? It may have been from God; I never have claimed that it can't come from God. OTOH, if God makes a miracle, the source of the power is obvious. In fact, God could even make His miracle by prompting you to make the 'magical potion'.

The issue at stake is that you don't know if the power you receive comes from God or not. If it does not, you cannot be guaranteed of the goodness of the fact.

I did not say that your potion 'is so much worse'. At best, I have argued it can be no better than God's cure.

As for myself, I still think this is a rather specious argument, as the idea of a miracle is something that is rare (i.e., it is God's supernatural intervention into the physical world). I think it would be much more likely for God to give us doctors who would be able to cure it with modern medicine than for a miracle to occur.

[Endoperez]

The_Tauren13 said:

So lets say I make a magical potion that prevents arthritis. Then lets say god makes a miracle that cures everyone of arthritis. Why is my potion so much worse?

Because you might have sacrificed some Blood Slaves to summon the Infernal Forces that showed you how to make it. If you were to make that potion AND would be able to prove that you received no help or guidance from any infernal or evil (and the relativity of those was already discussed in this thread) source and the ingredients were acceptable, then IMHO it wouldn't be any worse than the miracle. Well, except for the fact that your potion cannot cure everyone.

[quantum_mechani]

The_Tauren13 said:

So lets say I make a magical potion that prevents arthritis. Then lets say god makes a miracle that cures everyone of arthritis. Why is my potion so much worse?

lol, I can just see some pretender's priests and mages bickering. "Hah, what does your 'sacred' status get you but a pay cut?".

[Grey]

Back to the game... I thought the sacred status also gave them the benefit of the blessing type (magic path > 4)... if they don't receive that then why have I been loading up on sacred troops??? bummer.

[quantum_mechani]

Grey said:
Back to the game... I thought the sacred status also gave them the benefit of the blessing type (magic path > 4)... if they don't receive that then why have I been loading up on sacred troops??? bummer.

Technically, only 'blessed' status gives combat bonuses.

[Grey]

Which I understand is from a casting of blessing. But are the bonuses are only conferred to those that have sacred status??? That was my understanding during my read of the manual/help.

[atul]

Grey said:
Which I understand is from a casting of blessing. But are the bonuses are only conferred to those that have sacred status??? That was my understanding during my read of the manual/help.

Only sacred units can be blessed. Does that answer your question or did I misunderstand?

[quantum_mechani]

Scott Hebert said:

I do not believe I said that, or anything remotely resembling that. Please do not agree to overgeneralizations of my statements, as they will make people believe I said one thing when I did not.

But is the limitation moral in nature? There's also the question of the ability to command. Miracles, whatever people believe, cannot be called upon at will by humans, being as they are a special manifestation of God's will. One can ask for a miracle, and one may receive it in response to that asking, but the power is not human's.

Magic normally involves a formulaic ability to impose one's will on the surroundings. The distinction, that in miracles it is God's will, and in magic it is the human's will, is important.

And as for those people who believe they can command the power of God, or those that believe their ability for magic comes from elsewhere, I think they are confusing the idea of miracle and magic.

I was not trying to over generalize you statements, I was merely pointing out that you were barking up the wrong tree about lacking evidence for the non-existence of a god.

I don't see how the distinction between whose will it is matters, only the potentially dangerous actions they may take based on their beliefs. And I have seen no evidence that those who believe in miracles are any more or less dangerous than those that believe in magic.