OT: - Real life dominions

[Humer]

Well, as the cartoons were published *in September* link
the whole incident should be put in different light. Why now? What's in it for anyone to pick it up now?

[Gandalf Parker]

The pretenders in this particular game do seem awfully unbalanced. But if US is Ulm then BinLaden is Pangaea. Force of arms vs sneak tactics. Winning seems automatic but it can take alot longer than it would with another open force.

In fact, maybe he is Pangaea with Carrion Woods. You have to take out the religious leaders or else they can create an entire new army.

Gandalf Parker

[Agrajag]

Just in case it doesn't show on the left, I'm from Israel.

I'd say we have enough gems to alchemize into 100 Astral pearls, as well as an Astral-9 pretender. An Alteration-9 researched. So atleast if Israel goes down, the rest of the world goes down with it ("Going Out With a Bang" =P)

Now seriously, those comics are just an excuse for them to riot. There's enough blasphemous and otherwise inappropriate material for:
1) Israel to burn down every arab country in the middle east.
2) USA to burn down every muslim country in the area.
3) Jews to riot and burn down nice portions of most of the western world.
4) Hindus to riot and burn down almost the entire world.
5) etc.
Yet none of that seems to happen.

[Fate]

Yes, this is all true (especially who is what gods ).

I think that how this really needs to be seen as is the stone that broke the camel's back. From my (poor) american perspective, the entire middle east has been on fire for the last four decades -or longer- and I think that the feeling there could finally just be a substantial population who "just can't take it any longer."

Now, don't get me wrong, I am not trying to condone what is happening, I am just pointing out that there are reasons. Sometimes you just don't want to think about it, just do it.

[Tom_Scudder]

Despite everything, these demos have not been very big (loud & violent, and very stupid, but not big), compared to eg the big demos & counter-demos in Lebanon last year, or the big anti-terrorism demo in Jordan just after the bombings this October (?)

A blog I intermittently contribute to has a big fat roundup on the whole danish insanity:

http://www.aqoul.com/danish.html

[Agrajag]

Fate said:
I think that how this really needs to be seen as is the stone that broke the camel's back. From my (poor) american perspective, the entire middle east has been on fire for the last four decades -or longer- and I think that the feeling there could finally just be a substantial population who "just can't take it any longer."

I'll remind you that most americans think that Israel is such a buch of tents and camels roaming in the desert (unlike the truth - just your average modern western country. Also, we have more cool intelligence technology than the US =P)
As for "the entire middle east has been on fire for the last four decades", if this was truly the reason, than because of exactly the same reason Israel should have wiped out all of the arab nations around, long ago. Its just an excuse for blood-thirsty people to "go wild".

[PDF]

Agrajag said:

Your post is bordering on open call to murder, it seems out of place here. It looks like bloodthirst is a human vice quite shared everywhere.
On the subject, saying that the turmoil in the ME dates back from Israel creation is no anti-israeli propaganda, but just plain fact.
Note that the other possibility would have been for the Arabs to wipe out Israelis, a more "mathematically logical" situation considering the respective numbers ... they tried, but couldn't, thanks mostly to the USA who funded Israeli army.

[Cainehill]

PDF said:

Your post is bordering on open call to murder, it seems out of place here. It looks like bloodthirst is a human vice quite shared everywhere.

Edit: Incidentally PDF - your quotes are screwed up, as it wasn't fate who posted what you quoted.

Technically, the middle east has been on fire since the 8th or 9th century, when the muslim faith splintered over the issue of who should lead after Mohammed's death. The Sunnis and the Shiites have been killing one another since then, which was the main reason the European crusades were "successful" for a period of time - they could play the Sunni dynasties against the Shiite ones and vice versa.

Then, in 1917, Britain's Balfour Declaration proposed a Jewish state in "Palestine", and Britain proceeded to take control of the Middle East, carving it up into unnatural countries of its own design, (possibly in order to maximize turmoil for its own benefit), and hell on earth continued in "the promised land".

On the subject, saying that the turmoil in the ME dates back from Israel creation is no anti-israeli propaganda, but just plain fact.

True - it isn't anti-israeli propaganda, but it does ignore some 10 centuries of strife in the reason, broken by a few periods of relative peace such as during the reign of the Ottoman empire. But certainly - bloodthirst is a universal human trait, brought to the surface by : hunger, poverty, lack of education, and rulers / people who would rather blame someone else for their problems rather than take the responsibility for solving them themselves. Not just the mideast (which has some notable exceptions such as Qatar, UAE, and Bahrain) but south and central america, africa, and the USA's republican party.

[Agrajag]

PDF said:

Your post is bordering on open call to murder, it seems out of place here. It looks like bloodthirst is a human vice quite shared everywhere.

WHAT?!
Its exactly the other way around!
What I said was that that reason is no reason to riot or kill.
It is however used as an excuse by some people.
Atleast, I can't see any sane person doing what they did because of why they supposedly did it. (And therefore, I conclude its just an excuse, and their reasons are different.)

On the subject, saying that the turmoil in the ME dates back from Israel creation is no anti-israeli propaganda, but just plain fact.

The same goes for saying it dates back to the conquer of Israel by the Roman Empire.
I'd also like to act a bit juvenile and say "They started it", after all, it was the arab nations that attacked Israel and started The War of Independance.

Note that the other possibility would have been for the Arabs to wipe out Israelis, a more "mathematically logical" situation considering the respective numbers ... they tried, but couldn't, thanks mostly to the USA who funded Israeli army.

I wouldn't give the USA all of the credit. It was the courage and strength of Israeli (well... Jewish) soldiers that helped win the war.

You could say Caelum gave us lots of gems, but our mages were the ones to cast all the cool spells =P

[KissBlade]

Agrajag said:

I'll remind you that most americans think that Israel is such a buch of tents and camels roaming in the desert (unlike the truth - just your average modern western country. Also, we have more cool intelligence technology than the US =P)
As for "the entire middle east has been on fire for the last four decades", if this was truly the reason, than because of exactly the same reason Israel should have wiped out all of the arab nations around, long ago. Its just an excuse for blood-thirsty people to "go wild".

Not only does your post reek of ethnocentric bias, I'd like to know where the reasoning behind this "logic"?