High PD kinda useless.

[Saxon]

Hmm, spamming forts along an active border and not manning them is a bit dangerous. If your enemy grabs one, they have a nice base to build from and you have to retake it at some cost. I prefer defending against with a more flexible border, where you can lose and re-take a province relativly easily. But as some one else wrote, if you have real problems on the border, you should have a real army to deal with it. Once you defeat the attacking force, you may wish to go and visit the enemy provinces for a little chat. After all, the best defense is a good offense...

[isodea]

PD is certainly a double-edged sword cost vs. effectivness wise. It's one of the most interesting features of Dom for me. I usaually dont go above 31 in any given province. Sometimes when I take an enemy province deep in thier lands and am waiting for reinforcements I'll bump it up to 50+ as a stalling tactic. It brings a smile to my face when they throw a big army at it and, win or lose, it costs them mass casualties.

[Cainehill]

Consider PD in terms of maintainence free chaff, but _not_ as a replacement for troops. If you had something like 30 PD plus 10-20 troops, maybe a mage or priest (for sermon of courage), you'd probably find that much more effective - the PD soaks up the losses but is renewed so long as you win the battles, while the mage and real troops help ensure that you win, both because of troops quality and because of tactics.

Yes, you have to pay upkeep on those troops there - but upkeep is probably cheaper than the equivalent of 183 troops getting lost because PD sucks. Even better, you can move those troops and mages as your border shifts, while your investment in 50 PD turns out to be a very poor investment once you've expanded enough beyond that province and it never gets attacked.

(Kind of disheartening to read that PD has actually been nerfed even more, vis a vis Jotuns and whatnot. )

[Endoperez]

Cainehill said:(Kind of disheartening to read that PD has actually been nerfed even more, vis a vis Jotuns and whatnot. )

It hasn't been nerfed per se. Jotunheim provincial defense is weaker now, but not because it was made weaker, but because larger armies are more common and they are one of the nations whose province defence wasn't boosted. They might not be one of the nations with very good PD any more.

Man, as an example, seems to have very good PD now. They get spearmen and 2 militia for every point of PD, which is lots of chaff. Further, their better troops at 20+ PD are Longbowmen AND Tower Guards! In MA, they have Bards as second leader! 10 Longbowmen, 10 Tower Guards, 30 Spearmen and 60 Militia sound good? What if the militia came back if they died? What if you increased that, or recruited some indy archers in addition to the longbows?

[Nerfix]

I think there's a point where buying PD is no longer efective and just putting some troops and mages is much more effective.

[Daynarr]

PD is just right. It's should not be able to stop large and decisive armies on their own, but they should stop small incursions and help your own troops to defend provinces which they do perfectly well.

[Twan]

The only problem I have with PD, is the initial capital defense Vs bad events. In dom 2 I don't remember having my capital taken by indies so often, even with a lot of misfortune. In dom 3 in about 15 games it happened 5 or 6 times during the 15 or so first turns, and each time my capital was attacked the PD was easily defeated, be it by knights, raiders or even barbarians.

Later in the game you can of course have a priest with troops perma patroling your capital, but so early it's really annoying. I think if the initial PD is not raised/made more efficient, the invasion event chances or number of units should be reduced before turn 20 or so (especially when you have not taken misfortune 3, in most cases I had just 1). Anyway perhaps I have just very bad luck myself.

[MarcinM]

Daynarr said:
PD is just right. It's should not be able to stop large and decisive armies on their own, but they should stop small incursions and help your own troops to defend provinces which they do perfectly well.

This is exactly what I would expect and this is what it's doing for me (playing Abysia, expensive troops!). However I haven't run into cavalry yet, if they flank and kill my commander I probably won't be happy either. Still, learn and adapt

[Cainehill]

Endoperez said:

It hasn't been nerfed per se. Jotunheim provincial defense is weaker now, but not because it was made weaker, but because larger armies are more common and they are one of the nations whose province defence wasn't boosted. They might not be one of the nations with very good PD any more.

From what people have posted, Jotunheim gets only 1/2 a troop per point of PD, that's half what they got in Dom2. I call that nerfed, wouldn't you?

[Endoperez]

Cainehill said:From what people have posted, Jotunheim gets only 1/2 a troop per point of PD, that's half what they got in Dom2. I call that nerfed, wouldn't you?

Half a Jotun Militia and half a Jotun Javelinist. That's about one point per PD. Javelins thrown with Jotun strength have pretty good range and insane damage.