Broken Nations

KissBlade · #1 October 24th, 2006, 12:54 PM

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DominionsFan said:

mictlan, and tienchi are also very strong in the EA in blitz games. You can mass produce the cheap and good sacreds.

You and I have a very different definition of "mass producing" something ... W5E's are capital ONLY, fragile and requires a duel bless to really make them effective. This is quite balanced IMO. Tien Chi gets summonable sacreds to somewhat add bulk to their troops but aside from Water Demons, I tend to have better uses for their gems.

Nerfix · #2 October 24th, 2006, 12:58 PM

W5E's are terribly fragile to missiles. Real glass cannons.

Sandman · #3 October 24th, 2006, 03:46 PM

Take a phoenix with F9A9 then. Cheaper than a F9W9, and still pretty good. Stack the warriors with hordes of composite bowmen and you can carve up enemy armies with ease.

Nerfix · #4 October 24th, 2006, 03:48 PM

I can see that working very well. Hmmm, that would also give them lightning immunity when blessed. Hmmmm....

Theonlystd · #5 October 24th, 2006, 04:51 PM

meh when i played as LE R'yleh, Dreamscape i never got anything better than a large otherness.

The free units they get are wrothless outisde of killing tritons and if the army is triton guards it can be quite diffucult o and i guess good "chaff" i think they call em..

All your commanders but you StarSpawn Mages going insane is a big pain..

JaydedOne · #6 October 24th, 2006, 05:01 PM

I think LE R'lyeh is very good at what it does (irritate neighbors with Dominion, stock up on cheap units, offer most of the same advantages of ME R'lyeh) but the insanity on your own commanders can be very offputting and LE has a number of amphibious nations that, in my opinion, are -very- dangerous to R'lyeh if they decide they want to compete for the waters -- after all, I think a double-blessed Atlantis/Mictlan horde coming into the water is going to make life -extremely- ugly for R'lyeh even if they've recruited scads of dreaming fodder along the way. Let's also just say that I prefer the (amphibious!) sacreds those two nations can buy multiples of -every turn- a great deal more than I do the sacreds that R'lyeh MIGHT be able to spawn through the Gate every few turns if they're lucky.

I love R'lyeh. I'm a huge enthusiast and think the Dreamlands theme is fun. But calling it broken is, I think, overstating the case.

KissBlade · #7 October 24th, 2006, 05:14 PM

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I think LE R'lyeh is very good at what it does (irritate neighbors with Dominion, stock up on cheap units, offer most of the same advantages of ME R'lyeh) but the insanity on your own commanders can be very offputting and LE has a number of amphibious nations that, in my opinion, are -very- dangerous to R'lyeh if they decide they want to compete for the waters -- after all, I think a double-blessed Atlantis/Mictlan horde coming into the water is going to make life -extremely- ugly for R'lyeh even if they've recruited scads of dreaming fodder along the way. Let's also just say that I prefer the (amphibious!) sacreds those two nations can buy multiples of -every turn- a great deal more than I do the sacreds that R'lyeh MIGHT be able to spawn through the Gate every few turns if they're lucky.

I love R'lyeh. I'm a huge enthusiast and think the Dreamlands theme is fun. But calling it broken is, I think, overstating the case.

LE Ryleh has one of the fastest expansions out of the gates, offensive dominion, and great mages. They're actually my favorite LE nation but they're a bit broken. (not too much) If Atlantis/Mictlan comes into waters dual blessed, mind blast the crap out of them. It'll make them think twice about their invasion and make most player want to go after easier prey. However, the main strength of Ryleh comes from the free troops and having almost unchallenged access in the oceans. The extras you get from void gate is just flavor in comparisant to their other advantages.

KissBlade · #8 October 24th, 2006, 03:50 PM

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Sandman said:
Take a phoenix with F9A9 then. Cheaper than a F9W9, and still pretty good. Stack the warriors with hordes of composite bowmen and you can carve up enemy armies with ease.

Nah you don't actually need to. To defend against archers, just deposit lots of archer decoys around the map. Also try to coordinate your attacks so that the bulk of them happen during spring. you get about double the hit points on your w5e's. Plus F9W9 is just way too good to pass up.

Corwin · #9 October 25th, 2006, 11:32 AM

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KissBlade said:

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Sandman said:
Take a phoenix with F9A9 then. Cheaper than a F9W9, and still pretty good. Stack the warriors with hordes of composite bowmen and you can carve up enemy armies with ease.

Nah you don't actually need to. To defend against archers, just deposit lots of archer decoys around the map. Also try to coordinate your attacks so that the bulk of them happen during spring. you get about double the hit points on your w5e's. Plus F9W9 is just way too good to pass up.

Isn't it 1.5 more hitpoints? (18 vs normal 12)

DominionsFan · #10 October 24th, 2006, 04:42 PM

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KissBlade said:

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DominionsFan said:

mictlan, and tienchi are also very strong in the EA in blitz games. You can mass produce the cheap and good sacreds.

You and I have a very different definition of "mass producing" something ... W5E's are capital ONLY, fragile and requires a duel bless to really make them effective. This is quite balanced IMO. Tien Chi gets summonable sacreds to somewhat add bulk to their troops but aside from Water Demons, I tend to have better uses for their gems.

On small map blitzes it doesnt matter if a sacred is capital only or not.
Besides you forget yet another important thing about tienchi, they have excellent mages also, not just cheap and good sacreds. Those mages can be deadly in a blitz game even, if you research the correct path with them.