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Old December 31st, 2008, 11:47 PM
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Default Jomon Analysis: 3.21

So KO asked me to hold off a guide so I decided to do a nation analysis instead. This may develop into a guide as it'll discuss a few potential strategies, tips, builds, etc. A little about myself, I played MP dom II for a good amount and won my share of MP's/blitzes. My abilities in dom III are most likely deteriorated but I still like to think I have a good enough eye for capabilities of nations as well as how to play the game.

Since I searched the strategy index to see if anything's written about Jomon beforehand, I'd like to direct something similarly written by st.Patrik who's guide I agreed with most parts in. However on other points, you will find my views differ.

Jomon's a nation of samurais and folk mages. It's not quite Nobunaga's conquest but has a nice Legend of Five Ring feel to it. (Save no blood - maho magic!)

With that said, let's move on the troops!

Ashigaru: You toss these on front of arrows. Your initial squad gives you ten decoys. You probably won't be building more but they do have movement 2 =)
Samurai Archer: What will compose the bulk of your army out of nationals. They're flexible as both melee and archer roles. If you just leave them in one big screen or block formation, they'll pepper your opponents with arrows and then have a swath of katanas to greet the troops that do make it to your line. Their downside? Like all other Jomon troops, they cost a ton of resources.
Samurai: They come in two varieties, katanas and naginatas. They both suck so you don't need to care anymore about them. For some reason, the first four troops of Jomon only have 9 hp instead of 10 like normal humans. No idea why since Jomoon troops are already pretty crappy even if they had 10 hp.
O-ban: I never build these, Go-Hatamato seems better for less resource and 2 more gold. Not saying much cause 1 mapmove and slow AP with no shields means their 11 hp won't save them.
Go-Hatamato: Better than the previous but they're not exactly great either. Check the later Aka-Oni's for alternative infantry.
Aka-Oni: These guys are pretty decent because of their 14 morale, 11 hp and decent movement means they actually get to the front line and do some damage. Still expensive on the resource side but usable if you want some diversities in your troop mix.
Samurai Cavalry: These guys are way better in cbm due to the extra hoof and cheaper cost. Unfortunately in base, they remain part of Jomon's crap troop line.
Sohei: These aren't terrible to splash into your army if you have the priests to bless them. I know it sounds kinda odd to hear that because Jomon is NOT a bless nation but the extra +3 morale boosts their already impressive morale to 18. Not shabby =) You'll take lots of losses but they can win you that key battle where lesser troops would've routed.
Yamabushi: They're soheis without anything that would make them not suck. In other words, they suck.

Commanders:

Ninjas: They're assassins. You can use them to throw shurikens against commanders and hopefully get some extra provinces that way. Usually I just use them as scouts that can hopefully gib a mage when I need it.
Various commanders: They suck, no standards and the most expensive one doesn't even have a lance. LoL
Kannushi: Your only priest, slow, old and crappy.
Shugenja: I see no reason to make these unless you take magic 3 (which you shouldn't) and want cheap researchers.
Master Shugenja: Feasible troop buffers. Crappy mapmovements leave them much to be desired.
Onmoyi-ji: Your workhorse mage. S2 with a variety of elemental/nature possibility is a double edged sword. You get great versatility but you end up being master of nothing. You'll often have random pathed onmoyi-ji's you have no idea what to do with. They have a minor fortune teller ability which is nice since you'll have a ton of them. They come with hawks in battle which are both eth and sacred. Not shabby for harrassment. Their most glaring flaw is obvious. Your army moves at 2 map and your mages move at 1. They are also not sacred so your upkeep will add up while you look for that mage pick you want. Get the ones you don't want up to the battle lines as communion slaves or stellar cascade spammers.

Jomon has a lot of throwback summons from previous ages in the form of Onis. You can't summon any of them without your pretender which is fine because you won't want to anyway save the Dai Oni. That one actually has some nice picks and when you get enough death income, you may consider using them as SC chassis.
Regarding the tengu tree, there are better uses for your air gems. You will want to splash into the Dai Tengu just for the increase to a3 if you don't have it on your pretender. your a2/s2 mages can form the tome of higher planes which will give you A4 for better boosters off your dai tengu.
Kappas are good of taking the waves but you have no commanders that can go underwater so meh. Ambush of tiger is lol spell.
The nature commanders are mostly nothing special save Mori-No-Kami which can give you n3 so you don't have to roll the dice for it.
Yama-no-kami's aren't a good use of earth gems. a2e3n2 gives you nothing special. Their only redeeming trait is they let you get into dai tengu's if you didn't take the path on your pretender (which you should cause earth and air are good buffs). You can give them earthboots + tome of gaia to get e5 for forge too but good luck getting to the spell first =).
The Gozu-Mezu's are great but a bit too high on the tree to make them worth your while. And you need death which none of your mages have.
Ujigami's are nice commanders due to standard and the bless they can give to your soheis so if you plan on soheis, I suggest one of these guys to command them for a ghetto berserker force. =)
Kenzoku's would be ok as thugs if their armor wasn't so frigging heavy. Weaksauce.

Pretender suggestion:
IMO the Ghost King is your best bet. He gives you access to death and is also an extremely good SC chassis.

A dormant dom 9 you get a d3, f1, a2, e1 GK. lets you get Order 3, Prod 2, Cold 3, Misfortune 1, Magic 1. Alternatively you can try Turmoil 3, Prod 1, Luck 3, Magic 1 as well since your troops are cheap enough for it and the extra gems off luck might help out. I prefer Order for consistency .

Your first order of business should be getting alteration to 3 for ironskin, mistform, mirror image to be scripted for your GK to take those indie provinces that will give your sammie archers too much trouble. (aka heavy cavs)
Your army should be mostly sammie archers with your gold excess going towards merc screens. Build your second castle on a crossbow province ASAP. Crossbow/samurai archer armies are wonderful as your samurai archers protect archers against melee and can shoot up soft targets while your xbows blow up the heavier ones.
Your next order of business would be sending out a nice pack of mages to site search while researching up to construction 4. kitted with a rainwbow armor, firebrand (or frost), faithful, regen ammie, your GK becomes a real force of nature. Flying shoes make you truly golden. Use that time of reprieve to deter nations from coming after you.
From there on, I advise getting the site search spells and then concentrating on either evocation for stellar cascades or if you got some nice draws, alteration (Wind guide!!) for troop buffs. Construction would be a luxury since there are lots of nice tools in it to power your mages but Jomon is a bit weak so you'll want to have some firepower on your mages when your ghost king starts getting a bit manageable for your opponents to handle. If you're not playing with water nations I advise relegating him to indie water provinces at this point while your mages start to earn their keep. Summon earthpower communions are very strong so line those omoyi-ji's. Don't be tempted by all the national summons, most of them are not worth the effort. Samurai archers are feasible through the entire game if you just toss some luck/protection/etc their way. =) Good luck!

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Default Re: Jomon Analysis: 3.21

Thanks, very entertaining analysis.

Kappas are commanders in CBM, which makes them pretty great IMO. You can also use them as fever fetish holders because they recuperate. Jomon has got both the paths to summon Kappas (for just 2W) and make hammers and fetishes.
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Default Re: Jomon Analysis: 3.21

I mostly agree with guide, though I wish I didn't. Jomon basic troops just don't seem with it for the cost and the lack of shields.

As to basic troops, the first summon, (1 Nature, level 3, I can't remember the name) is supposed to give a boost to whatever province he is in. What does that mean?

Also, I find that Jomon have a lack of Earth magic, yet get fire magic, which there seems to little use for, what is with that.
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Also, I find that Jomon have a lack of Earth magic, yet get fire magic, which there seems to little use for, what is with that.
It's possible to get a Master Shugenja with e3, and if you're really lucky e4...2 cross path fire spells - astral fires (real easy to get with omnyoji) and magma bolts (M. shugenja). And of course a fire pick on the M. Shugenja and you can start a fetish farm.

The thing I like about Jomon are their battle mages (M. Shugenja and Omnoyoji), each one is likely to be different but each can be useful.

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Default Re: Jomon Analysis: 3.21

hmm interesting.. might try them again..

most interesting to me is why KO would not want a guide for Jomon (yet?)... why???
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Default Re: Jomon Analysis: 3.21

New Patch.
My issue is that you have no starting earth income.
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Default Re: Jomon Analysis: 3.21

Because the next update is going to add several more units to Jomon's roster. The summons added recently were supposed to be more or less thematic, the as yet unadded units are supposed to have a larger effect on Jomon's overall balance.

I am not 100% sure I agree with a few things. For example, longbows to me seem to do almost nothing in LA. Unless you have flaming arrows you're not going to do any kind of significant damage to shielded units. So if you're buying huge amounts of samurai archers, I would highly suggest setting them to fire at archers or they're pretty much wasting their time. Also, Aka-Oni samurai are very skilled fighters, and mixed with Go-Hatamoto are very effective at breaking up heavy infantry, which is something samurai archers are not nearly as good at. Crossbowmen might work instead, but you'll be inflicting more friendly fire casualties than enemy casualties once the enemy reaches your samurai archers, which they will do unless they don't have shields. The only thing you have going for you then is the katana attack skill bonus, putting your samurai archer's attack skill up to something like 13.

Because I hate LA longbows, and honestly crossbows so much due to the amount of friendly fire you'll take, what I like to do is use a small screen of Go-Hatamoto for groups of Aka-Oni Samurai. The hatamoto are unshielded, but they do have high hp and decent prot, so they can deal with anything that's not a crossbow reasonably well, and in a small group most crossbow bolts will miss them. You have to work hard at killing enemy archers like this though. Which means either longbow samurai set to fire archers or using something to run up the flanks. If only samurai cavalry was worth the cost.
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New Patch.
My issue is that you have no starting earth income.
But you do...
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Oops your right.
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e4 is not realistic. even e3, or n3, will likely not appear until it is not especially important - in my game, it's turn 55, I have a ton of mages, and I haven't seen an n3 and only one e3. to really count on getting an E4, w/ around 90% probability, you'ld have to hire 4000 shugenjas.
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