Repulsion strategies

[Teraswaerto]

Meglobob said:
I am powerful:-
Atlantis - Huge Kraken/good scales.

Aren't you getting butchered by a bless-heavy Oceania?

[Ironhawk]

For the record, there are plenty of strategies to defeat a blessed nation that does not require the use of a bless.

[Shovah32]

I agree with ironhawk here, why dont you(Praetorious) also list what nations you find have the most trouble vrs bless's and lets see if we cant come up with a counter that will also work vrs other nations. You also forgot to mention mictlan who has very strong sacreds for their cost.

[Agrajag]

Ironhawk said:
For the record, there are plenty of strategies to defeat a blessed nation that does not require the use of a bless.

The point of this thread is to list such strategies, so why don't you write them down instead of merely informing us of their existence?

[Ironhawk]

Agrajag said:
The point of this thread is to list such strategies, so why don't you write them down instead of merely informing us of their existence?

Actually, the poster said that he wanted a bless strategy to repulse a bless strategy. I didnt want to take the thread off-topic, only to point out that the only way to beat a bless is not another bless.

Since you are interested: blesses normally rely on smaller numbers of high power units. The logical counter to this is Astral Magic, which is extremely powerful vs single units. Paralyze comes to mind in particular. Of course Ryleh, by default, will pretty much slaughter any bless strategy. Also, any nation that has H3 mages could Smite the hell out of a blesser - no research needed.

[DrPraetorious]

To be explicit - I want this thread to be about non-bless-rush tactics for fighting bless-rush. I'm sorry if my original post is confusingly worded.

Unfortunately, strong blessers generally have a high MR, and I have not had a lot of success with smite or paralyze against strong bless troops - except when backing up other strong bless troops (as ME ermor, shadow vestels with archtheurgs smiting in the background did quite nasty things to a nature 9/water 9 machaka.)

That said, when all I have are screening troops and archers, I find that lightning bolt is a better bet - it still always hits and no MR to worry about.

[Huzurdaddi]

Ironhawk said:
Of course Ryleh, by default, will pretty much slaughter any bless strategy.

Indeed.



25 Vans F9W9 vs. 25 Illithid Soldiers ( had they been simple Illithids this combat would have been over far quicker -- further in a rush you will not have Illithid soldiers in this quanity they cost far too much resources ) and 115 lobo guards.

Note that rlyeh had a whole bunch of research done which may have skewed the results. This combat is near a tipping point, btw. If I add in a few hundred more gold ( ~ 500 +-) of chaff then rlyeh wins.

[Graeme Dice]

Huzurdaddi said:
Note that rlyeh had a who bunch of research done. Which may have skewed the results. This combat is near a tipping point, btw. If I add in a few hundred more gold ( ~ 500 +-) of chaff then rlyeh wins.

Is it possible to mod how long the Illithid paralysis lasts for? This might make a difference since they were initially balanced when their paralysis was permanent.

[Ironhawk]

Huzurdaddi said:
25 Vans F9W9 vs. 25 Illithid Soldiers ( had they been simple Illithids this combat would have been over far quicker -- further in a rush you will not have Illithid soldiers in this quanity they cost far too much resources ) and 115 lobo guards.

I'm really surprised by this result. Seems counter to all my experiences playing and fighting ryleh. But I will freely admit that I havent actually tested it against a full on rush.

[Teraswaerto]

Quietly,

It seems to me that Arco would have had much more success with Sleep rather than Lightning Bolt, and that Chariots and Myrmidons are the worst possible choice of troop for fighting Niefel giants.