The Quick and The Dead [ Calmon WINS!! ]

FAJ · #1 March 13th, 2007, 05:40 PM

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Ironhawk said:
I am still waiting for someone to come up with another level 9 spell which even comes close to Utterdark in power...

Anyone ever try to Wish for "Win the game"?

Ironhawk · #2 March 13th, 2007, 05:53 PM

I dont believe that Arcane Nexus is comparable. While it definitely does produce a lot of gems it effects neither the military or economic capabilities of any other nation.

No, you misunderstand - I dont have a problem with LA Ermor. There are plenty of tactics and counters to fight an undead nation. While the sheer mass of undead is overwhelming sometimes, they dont otherwise concern me.

Ironhawk · #3 March 13th, 2007, 11:08 PM

Ok, the server is back up.

In other news: My pretenders attempt to relieve the seige at my capital has failed (tho he did take about 200 undead with him). Since Utterdark is basically invincible I am now willing to concede the game. If everyone else consents we can just wrap this up and get started on the next one.

KissBlade · #4 March 13th, 2007, 11:22 PM

Well my 120 point dispel proved to no avail (though my preceding Forge knocked out the Soul gate amusing enough) so I am willing to concede as well. Well played Calmon!

Also I should point out, Utterdark is extremely powerful but rightly so IMO. It's a level 9 magic tree with a high death requirement. (IMO it should be priced 150 though not 100) However Ironhawk, I should point out, the real reason we all probably feel steamrolled by the spell is because Utterdark is LA Ermor's late game trump card. (None of us to be fair decided to gun for any late game trump cards in our delay) In a normal game, it will be many turns before Ermor is able to reach Utterdark. And by then the amount of turn difference between his casting of Well and Soul Gate would've built up enough for other nations to already have begun making preparations and been able to suitably counter it.

Ironhawk · #5 March 14th, 2007, 12:23 AM

Indeed, well played Calmon

But no, I still disagree. Look at it this way - when someone plays Utterdark, your situation is this: Dispel it or Lose the game. There is no third solution. No tactic to combat it. No counter.

This is too much power for any single spell. Thats what it boils down to.

msew · #6 March 14th, 2007, 12:47 AM

What are the other nations' trump card spells? Where is my utterdark? :-)

My hail mary grab for three VP provinces game too late. Utterdark owned all my plans.

I concede. Next Game!

KissBlade · #7 March 14th, 2007, 01:33 AM

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msew said:
What are the other nations' trump card spells? Where is my utterdark? :-)

Hmm ... off the top of my head, I'd say you have the standard age old tartarian/gifts spam. Mass vine ogres <= not sure if this is still valid. Mass blood summons + astral corruption lockdown. Sure they don't "shut down all opposition" compared to utterdark but hey, the way I see is, it was more our fault for letting it happen then not. For example, all of us were perfectly aware that Ermor was casting Well => Soul Gate => utterdark. We just simply chose not to do anything about it but rather attend to our own schemes on furthering our own powerbases.

Rathar · #8 March 14th, 2007, 01:01 AM

I agree that that seems to be the conditions Utterdark sets forth. Dispell or lose. But are there no other nations and spell combos which are essentially the same in effect? Such and such nation casts X global and keeps it up, we are dead?

I don't have enough MP experience to know for sure but dominions is so versatile I would be surprised if that was the only insta-win combo.

I'm definitely into conceding and in fact do so.

Hail Ermor etc etc..

Rathar