How to deal with elephants

sector24 · #1 August 3rd, 2007, 12:02 AM

It's not that Elephants are unstoppable. Dual bless is great, except that you either sleep your pretender or take bad scales or both. Meaning you have to commit a higher % of your resources to kill his elephants, while you beats you by simply having better scales or more research or both.

I'm not sure what you mean by Vanheim. Although they are a ridiculously powerful nation, trampling is the one thing that really messes them up. I think the reason people talk about elephants so much is because they require no strategy. Oh look, elephants. Build a fortress in that province, all of a sudden you can make 7-8 elephants per turn. Look at me I'm a master tactician.

Gandalf Parker · #2 August 3rd, 2007, 12:09 AM

Well my favorite response tactic to any large unbeatable army of any type is to create armies of stealth to whittle down their support funds by taking provinces, taxing them at 200%, fading into the wilderness to attack another province two or three away. This forces them to invest in PD, move armies around internally instead of massing them to attack someone else, and make some hard choices about budgeting for awhile. It might not be a "winning" strategy but it has been known to cause them to lose their "winning" strategy long enough to knock them off the top rung. Its a great ally-tactic.

Xietor · #3 August 3rd, 2007, 12:29 AM

"Well my favorite response tactic to any large unbeatable army of any type is to create armies of stealth to whittle down their support funds by taking provinces, taxing them at 200%, fading into the wilderness to attack another province two or three away. This forces them to invest in PD, move armies around internally instead of massing them to attack someone else, and make some hard choices about budgeting for awhile. It might not be a "winning" strategy but it has been known to cause them to lose their "winning" strategy long enough to knock them off the top rung. Its a great ally-tactic."

And my favorite tactic is to mind hunt the stealth commander before he can stealth away and kill his leaderless army.

Rytek · #4 August 3rd, 2007, 12:50 AM

No mention of an awake pretender killing the pachyderms?

Shovah32 · #5 August 3rd, 2007, 12:56 AM

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Xietor said:
And my favorite tactic is to mind hunt the stealth commander before he can stealth away and kill his leaderless army.

*Insert stealthy astral mage here*

@Rytek:
Certain awake pretenders, generally size 6 pretenders with good defence/high prot, can handle elephant rushes. Size 6 is almost required without high fear and/or awe(trampled to death without - berserk elephants are evil). The high protection/defence on the size 6 is important because elephant trunks, although only at attack 10, can pack quite a punch(17 damage).

Kuritza · #6 August 18th, 2007, 03:55 PM

Afaik stealth is resolved before global spells.

Xietor · #7 August 19th, 2007, 01:00 AM

It does not matter if stealth is resolved before the mind hunt is cast or not, since mind hunt works on stealthed units.

I mean think about it, how can you hide your mind?

sum1lost · #8 August 19th, 2007, 02:39 AM

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Xietor said:
It does not matter if stealth is resolved before the mind hunt is cast or not, since mind hunt works on stealthed units.

I mean think about it, how can you hide your mind?

Along with the rest of you, I imagine. Maybe in a hole?

How do stealthy units hide?

Sir_Dr_D · #9 August 3rd, 2007, 01:49 AM

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Xietor said:

And my favorite tactic is to mind hunt the stealth commander before he can stealth away and kill his leaderless army.

i noticed that. what you have done to my spies is not very nice.

But I must say, nice job.

Dedas · #10 August 3rd, 2007, 04:51 AM

I'm posting some small replays on the first page when I'm using the different spells in the list against elephants. Be sure to check them out.