What Are the Drawbacks of High Misfortune?

[Humakty]

Bogus can be considered a good event only if you've got nothing else to do. When I get this event I'm often waging a defensive war against 1+ AIs, and you really can't deal with him with a secondary army.

I often take misfortune now, so as to pay for my growth as I play factions that are crippled by old age. (Ah fire magic...)It is true it is a real pain to have your lab/temple wipped out early on. Barbarian attacks on the capitol have never been a threat for me(they get trashed by 25+ PD), but I never play the monkeys and their (censored so as not to cause a riot) PD.

I think misf/order is a better bet than turmoil/luck, even if the best is to have all positive scales, which is possible if you don't need a strong bless.

[sector24]

I started an order 3 luck 3 game recently and another thing that really hurts these scales is slow dominion spread. For instance, let's say you defeat an order 3 misfortune 2 player. You had 10 provinces and you took 5 more for a total of 15. The problem is that 33% of your territory has misfortune rather than luck, so when you get a random event there it still ends up being a bad one. I get a lot of barbarian events in newly conquered territory before I get a chance to convert the scales. Since you're limited to 3 events/turn, you really have to try to flip the scales quickly if you want to max out your positive events.

At least this is how it seems to me. Can anyone confirm that the game randomly chooses the province first, then the event based on the scales in that province? I think luck would be significantly better if random events were weighted towards lucky provinces first.

[atul]

I believe that at least in Dom2 it was thought that event frequency was based on Capital dominion score, but event kind into each province's dominion score. Don't know for sure, but at least I remember that while I liked playing turmoil/luck nations (TC Spring&Autumn <3), conquering order/misfortune nations was truly horror thanks to the bad events...

[Baalz]

Well, the same is true for any positive dominion. If 50% of your nation is out of your dominion, 50% isn't benefiting from your order scales and 50% of the random events will not benefit from your luck scales. The three event cap doesn't really impact this.

One non-obvious benefit of a luck scale is when your dominion pushes into somebody else's territory unlike other scales they don't merely not get the advantage of your good scales, they actually have a functionally negative luck scale for that province of whatever your positive scale is. I think the logic is good luck for player A is bad luck for player B.

[Digress]

Baalz said:
One non-obvious benefit of a luck scale is when your dominion pushes into somebody else's territory unlike other scales they don't merely not get the advantage of your good scales, they actually have a functionally negative luck scale for that province of whatever your positive scale is. I think the logic is good luck for player A is bad luck for player B.

I didn't know that ... does the reverse hold ?

[Endoperez]

I always thought your positive scales are ignored for enemies, e.g. Order 3/Misfortune 2 is Order 0/Misfortune 2. The manuals I checked (Dom:PPP and Dom3) didn't give any answers.

[Baalz]

Endoperez said:
I always thought your positive scales are ignored for enemies, e.g. Order 3/Misfortune 2 is Order 0/Misfortune 2. The manuals I checked (Dom:PPP and Dom3) didn't give any answers.

That is true in general, but luck is the exception. KO explained it in a thread I'm too lazy to look up, I think its one of those undocumented features that maybe even got added as a patch. Not like it's possible to figure out from observation...

[vfb]

KO's post is halfway down this thread:

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...672#Post541672

He seems to be saying that if there is enemy Luck or Misfortune in your province, then both have the same effect on the chance of a random event (increasing the chance), and whether it is a bad event (both enemy Luck and enemy Misfortune increase the chance of bad events). But he also says though that the event scale requirement does not go away -- if you've got enemy Luck3 in your province, that's better than Misfortune3, since you can't get any bad events that require less than Luck3 to occur.

I think it's entirely possible I've failed to understand him properly though. So please read the thread for yourselves.

Just from experience, I always seem to get way more horrible events in my provinces under enemy dominion from enemy misfortune scales than from enemy luck scales.