lamentation for a queen

[vfb]

That "King of War" guy with 10 encumberance or whatever is pretty crappy.

I thought I'd have to take the VQ in a game where I'm handicapped, by the other players choosing my nation and pretender chassis. Here are two ideas that sort-of work:

1) Combat VQ. Death-5 gives fear, Awe-2 for defense, and immortality in case it doesn't work. Could fly-sneak onto an enemy capitol for Dom kill, but risky with Stealth 0, 'cause her immortality won't save her if she's found.

Awake
Death 5 Blood 3
Dominion 10
Turmoil 3 Sloth 3 Cold 1 Fortune 3 Drain 2


2) Blood Hunt. Imprison and take good scales, non-blood nation, and use her to start getting you into blood sometime.

Imprisoned
Death 1 Blood 2
Dominion 6
Order 3 Productivity 2 Growth 2 Fortune 3 Drain 2

[Endoperez]

I've actually chosen Father of Serpents for MP. I wanted to go for Entchantment, race for Gift of Health, and decided to pursue Nat/Death. He was the best choice for it (about N5D5, dom 7-8 or so, mediocre scales). I was quite annoyed at having to pay so much for a chassis which isn't that much better than various other choices, but it was best for what I wanted.

[Foodstamp]

I agree with what a lot of people have said about the cost being lowered. I think her abilities should mirror the other vampires, just lower her cost to reflect the changes that were brought on after the cost raising (Or did the etherealness get taken away when she was originally nerfed? I can't remember.)

[Velusion]

Unfortunately many of the pretender choices are overpriced - the VQ is just the best (and most drastic) example.

[WraithLord]

vfb said:

1) Combat VQ. Death-5 gives fear, Awe-2 for defense, and immortality in case it doesn't work. Could fly-sneak onto an enemy capitol for Dom kill, but risky with Stealth 0, 'cause her immortality won't save her if she's found.

Awake
Death 5 Blood 3
Dominion 10
Turmoil 3 Sloth 3 Cold 1 Fortune 3 Drain 2

And how much does this build cost?- Compare it the a POD or Wyrm or virtue. Is it really viable next to those?

vfb said:
2) Blood Hunt. Imprison and take good scales, non-blood nation, and use her to start getting you into blood sometime.

Imprisoned
Death 1 Blood 2
Dominion 6
Order 3 Productivity 2 Growth 2 Fortune 3 Drain 2

Blood hunt, FoB is *much* better hunter and cheaper and has better dominion.

My point is not that VQ is on itself useless, its useless when compared to existing pretenders. There's no niche for her. In every possible category there are some pretenders that are better and cheaper than her.

[vfb]

Oh no, these aren't builds I want to do!

If I had to do a VQ build, because of handicap rules in an MP game, I think those are a couple of VQ options that would be somewhat playable. Luckily, in the game where I couldn't choose my nation or pretender chassis, I got given a Phoenix instead.

I totally agree with you that the VQ is the most overpriced of all pretenders.