Advice for Bandar Log in Dawn of Dominions map

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Starts at 10, but I've never caught a thing with PD.

I've only played one MP game with Bandar, so I don't have much experience with them. But I did not buy more than 1 PD in that game. I don't think monkey PD will do well against Barbarians or Call of Winds.

You could use it to get some chaff into a defensive fight, I suppose.

[Hadrian_II]

Barbarians are actually the only thing monkey pd does well against. Markata have hight defence, so the barbarians have trouble hitting them.

[Humakty]

PD can be usefull to lower unrest, starting at ten. Costs less in the long run than having an army patrolling (or just less micro...), especially in ennemy dominion

[thejeff]

I didn't know that PD helped lower unrest.

More generally, 1 PD is essential, anything beyond that is situational. Don't rely on it to stop any significant enemy attack, but it's worth it if it can hold off most random events and the lesser remote attack spells and small raiding parties. Especially early in the game. Even if all it does is make your enemy send less, but larger, raiding forces. That's more cost for less provinces.

Later on, when raiding parties tend to be thugs who can take any reasonable PD, it does become almost useless.

[Kristoffer O]

> I didn't know that PD helped lower unrest.

Neither did I.

[VedalkenBear]

Well, if we're talking about Bandar Log, specifically (the Middle Era guys), then your Rishis can open some serious smackdown on people by simply stealing all of their armies. At least 1/4 of your Rishis can throw Enslave Mind, and another 1/4 of them can throw Charm. This is my 'normal' strategy with them; rush to Thaumaturgy 6 for Enslave Mind (along the way picking up 'intermediary' spells like Mind Burn, Soul Slay, and Paralyze). Then I would get Gandharvas (Conj 5). But seriously, 4 or 5 Rishis throwing Enslave Mind hurt the enemy rather nicely, due to the way the combat rules work.

Now, more generally, my brother Wyatt twigged me to the Light Bandar Infantry. Let me pull up their (vanilla) Sticks/Stones stats...

Dam: 12
Rng: 15
Prec: 7
Ammo: 30
#Att: 2

Compare this to a shortbow:

Dam: 10
Rng: 25
Prec: 9 (on the same unit)
Ammo: 12
#Att: 1

And here's a comparison to a javelin on an Ermorian unit:

Dam: 13
Rng: 10
Prec: 8
Ammo: 2
#Att: 1

Sticks and Stones are actually quite powerful when thrown by Bandar. So an army of Light Bandar backed up by Rishis can actually be rather nasty.

(Note: If you increase the Bandar's strength, then the range and damage of the Sticks/Stones increases, similar to a javelin.)

Anyway, just some thoughts.

[Shovah32]

I'll support the suggestion of battle mage Rishis. But don't forget - with 4 communion slaves you go from 1/4 casting enslave mind to all of them casting it. More slaves may be needed to help with fatigue, but more can also help with penetration if you add enough.

[Mr_Dark]

Very cool VedalkenBear - that's exactly the kind of analysis I was hoping for. 'Fire nearest...' shall be the order of the day. Thanks!

[Endoperez]

Whether Light Bandar Infantry are better than armored bandar infantry is another matter entirely. 20 gp for a unit that deals more damage on lower range than two shortbowmen? For a nation for whom those shortbowmen would be stealthy?

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Kristoffer O said:
> I didn't know that PD helped lower unrest.

Neither did I.

It doesn't. But positive dominion does lower unrest, and negative dominion raises it.