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View Poll Results: Is the mass-production of undead priests via Life after Death an exploit?
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Old May 7th, 2008, 07:33 PM

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Default Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?

Any nation can be evil with the right God. (Speaking of which, how were your non-death-using nations planning to get a LaD caster in the first place?)

Anyway, even once you do this, it's vulnerable to assassins with anti-undead items, or dominion push with Purgatory since their priests are busy (which will also zap the undead they've already gotten), or just spamming anti-undead spells/items in general to wipe out the freespawn (or the undead commanders; send over a flying thug with Flambeau and watch the soulless dissolve after their leader goes down) after they reach the battlefield. It's not like soulless are some kind of unstoppable killing machines - without something like Storm or Darkness practically any nation can butcher them easily.

As an exploit, it seems to have a long way to go to catch up to clams, and they've been around forever.
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Old May 7th, 2008, 08:18 PM

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Default Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?

Well, the prevailing attitude definitely seems to be that this is not an exploit. Or perhaps better said that it may be an exploit but occurs to late in the game to unbalance things. I can't say that I agree with these positions but if its not an exploit you can be sure I will be using this in my next game.

You may wish you had changed your vote when I overrun your nation with my unstoppable undead hordes in the next game!!
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Default Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?

for the costs, does the spell cost any thing?
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Default Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?

If you have a large body of water and water or air magic, can't you just drown them by removing their breathing apparatus?
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Default Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?

[Drowning] won't trigger Life After Death because it happens out of combat.

I tried Rain of Stones but my problem was that my opposition wasn't tough enough and my Cyclops cast Flying Shards instead. I didn't pursue the test after that.

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You may wish you had changed your vote when I overrun your nation with my unstoppable undead hordes in the next game!!
Personally I'd much rather see your undead death mage machinery than the usual Tartarian SC / Abomination stuff.
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You may wish you had changed your vote when I overrun your nation with my unstoppable undead hordes in the next game!!
Personally I'd much rather see your undead death mage machinery than the usual Tartarian SC / Abomination stuff.
Well Tartarians and Abominations are research level_9 and definitely late game where the massive undead chaff are level_7, so there will be a time window difference.
It won't stop the usual strategies we see... it means we'll only see this added into existing strategies. Minimal effort, small cost, for massive amounts of free undead chaff... oh yeah it's coming.
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Default Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?

Tartarian are getting changed too. So the chaff armies will be even more problematic.

The thing is that thematically you can justify anything, so dropping this "argument" sounds like a good idea.

From a term of balance, armies of chaff are rather useless at lvl 7. Well, if it were not for the turn limit that guarantee you a victory. However, a 100% reduction in cost of mages and priest for minimal effort ? Doesn't that sound a bit unbalancing ?

I mean, the MR argument is a joke. You can just buy again the same amount of mages and priests in a few turns. Even if half of your low MR resurrected units get killed, you doubled your capacity for buying new fresh mages !
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