Warmachines for Dom3

[Omnirizon]

i think this is just asking for unnecessary complexity. Dom3 has never been about being a 'hyper-realistic' wargame; I, in fact, find those types of games to be pure dross for a complexity of both ontological and gaming reasons that aren't worth going into right now.

we could imaging that a nation does in fact build siege engines, thus why mindless and animals aren't as good, since they don't grasp the architectural concepts. Or whatever, use your imagination. Modeling siege engines is just not something Dom3 is equipped to do, nor what it is even about.

And for all these points, there already are units and summons in the game that get siege bonuses.

[HoneyBadger]

It's not about actually using them in a seige, they'd just be warmachines, so maybe that's a better term? Some ofcourse might get seige bonuses, but that's not the ultimate focus here-it's more for standardized, non-nation specific, machines that could be used either in the field, or for specific purposes, including supporting PD, and also supporting seiges.

[JimMorrison]

Death Ray Squid Tanks!

Sorry, I cannot resist. >.>

Also, the Ulmish Mammoth Chariots. So awesome. <3

[Aezeal]

Flying fortresses, with dragons in them

[HoneyBadger]

[Tifone]

Omnirizon said:
i think this is just asking for unnecessary complexity. Dom3 has never been about being a 'hyper-realistic' wargame; I, in fact, find those types of games to be pure dross for a complexity of both ontological and gaming reasons that aren't worth going into right now.

we could imaging that a nation does in fact build siege engines, thus why mindless and animals aren't as good, since they don't grasp the architectural concepts. Or whatever, use your imagination. Modeling siege engines is just not something Dom3 is equipped to do, nor what it is even about.

And for all these points, there already are units and summons in the game that get siege bonuses.

I actually agree with everything of that.

Also, making the gifs and the statistics, and resolving the balance issues of catapults, ballistas, trebutchets, some of them possibly magic to add a bit of variety and fantasy in this... would be a huge load of work, for something the game isn't IMHO in the real need of. And even doing all this, the result could possibly break many balances anyway nonetheless- many nations just don't fit IMHO the state of mind of building and carrying around catapults, ballistas, trebutchets. Intantly come to mind Abysia, Pangaea, Niefelheim, EA Marverni, and possibly many others. Playing Dominions 3 already requires sometimes big stretchs of imagination - as it's a fantasy game, and as it has not be done with full hi-res graphic showing everything that happens in the story like other titles. Imagining my soldiers building some war engines to bring down the gates of a fort, and the ones with the siege bonus being better at this than the other, is a minor one

I'm not of course saying, do not improve the game, you can imagine whatever is not there. Just that for me, siege engines are a minor thing that I don't really feel the need in this game. I prefer the battles continue involving just hordes of soldiers, archers, cavalry, undeads, demons, big mythologic monsters of all kind, animals, powerful mages... it is enough for me, and we can already do much to improve just those things ^_^

[Sombre]

Not a fan of this idea at all.

I have made 'war machines' of a sort for a couple of mod nations, but they work in much the same way as existing units like crushers, chariots, fire drakes, archers etc.

[HoneyBadger]

Well, don't forget that this thread was spawned by the oceania thread, which dealt with, and applied to, only a special group of nations. So maybe only a certain group of nations would gain access to this line of Construction summons?

And trebuchets? How are they small and mobile? small ballistas, small catapults, serpentines, yes, like the ones the Romans would build on the spot, and units of that scale, but not huge vast towers. Think in terms of a chariot.

[HoneyBadger]

I hate to have to keep redefining this, because I don't want to confuse people, but I was hoping people would pick up on the *spirit*/intention of the thread being the same as the Improving Oceania thread.

Sombre, you managed to get it, even if you don't realize it. That's exactly what I'm talking about-nothing crazy, no completely different units or play from anything that's already in the game, just ideas for more units like the Crusher and other mechanized units already in the game, to expand the Construction school. Nothing balance-destroying, and I'm fine with it being restricted to certain nations or whatever. But what units that involve some form of technology can we come up with that would be reasonable assets on the battlefield?

[TheMenacer]

I always sort of assumed that the seige weapons were abstracted out. I mean there's that one hero for Arco that's just an old guy, and yet he has a seige bonus, you can't really say that he himself walks up to the enemy walls and beats the hell out of them. Seige weapons wouldn't be much good in a real fight anyway, so we just don't see them when your generals build them in the field whenever they lay seige to an enemy fortification or whatever.

I do thing summonable seige defences (or weapons for that matter) in the construction are a good idea though, provided they're more than just a catapult. I mean someone said that all we'd have are earth summons, but not if you get creative. You could have fire summons that are immobile brassiers(sp?) of elemental fire that do nothing but hurl fireballs at attackers, you could have a fire/death banefire version of the same, you could have vines that repair the walls or just strangle people to death. You could have a water summon that autocasts that friendly currents spell. You could have all kinds of stuff.

If you really want to get nuts, instead of having it be an immoble summon like the watcher (that 50 patrol bonus statue air summon), you could have it function like a dome that takes shots at any seiging army or repairs the castle or whatever and requires an investment of gems to maintain. Naturally that'd take new rules which means that the developers would need to get on board, but hey, a guy can dream.