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July 3rd, 2012, 08:44 PM
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Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
I'll want to see some of my armies get wiped out before throwing it in. If nothing else I'll have fun killing dead guys! LOL
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July 3rd, 2012, 09:24 PM
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Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
Really interesting subject brought up though was the Utterdark being cast.
I had not thought of it in terms of hurting people you have NAPs with.
Now my mind has been awakened to this i would definitely cancel NAPs before hand.
All I need to do now is be good enough in a game to cast the damn thing.
I am not holding my breath.
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July 3rd, 2012, 09:33 PM
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Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
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Originally Posted by HoleyDooley
Really interesting subject brought up though was the Utterdark being cast.
I had not thought of it in terms of hurting people you have NAPs with.
Now my mind has been awakened to this i would definitely cancel NAPs before hand.
All I need to do now is be good enough in a game to cast the damn thing.
I am not holding my breath.
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It was. I can justify it by making pedantic arguments about scouts and what not, but I'll give notice next time I cast it.
Atlantis,
For what it's worth, I'm sorry. Honestly, it didn't cross my mind when I cast the thing that I should have broken my NAPs, but in retrospect, it would have been the right thing to do. This is one of the many reasons I still consider myself a newbie.
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July 4th, 2012, 04:20 AM
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Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
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Originally Posted by revenant2
Atlantis,
For what it's worth, I'm sorry. Honestly, it didn't cross my mind when I cast the thing that I should have broken my NAPs, but in retrospect, it would have been the right thing to do. This is one of the many reasons I still consider myself a newbie.
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No need to apologize, you did what you needed to do to win (and it was pretty interesting to watch), and it is just a game. And yeah, I plotted with Bogarus and Ulm against you and planned to attack you in three turns from the current turn. This turn I hoped to start my armies moving to you borders and to send you NAP annulment message.
The main mistake that I did in game was not pressing you hard enough. After battle at your capital I had to keep pushing, even with no money to hire my troops. And I needed to buy more supply items faster, actually I had only one cauldorn when I assaulted your capital. The next turn my retreating forces mixed with reinforcments and were starved as a result.
Still, I have some forces to throw at Ermor now. I'm really going to fight till the last amphibian.
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July 4th, 2012, 03:10 PM
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Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
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The main mistake that I did in game was not pressing you hard enough. After battle at your capital I had to keep pushing, even with no money to hire my troops. And I needed to buy more supply items faster, actually I had only one cauldorn when I assaulted your capital. The next turn my retreating forces mixed with reinforcments and were starved as a result.
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That would have been pretty wild if you kept up the attack. I had real problems hurting your troops so you probably would have been able to cause a LOT of damage for me and possibly knock me out since I wouldn't have been able to withstand both you and Patala. However, that would have been quite a sacrifice on your part, and I'm not sure it would have helped you win the game because you would have been a sitting duck for Abysia then.
I think you made the right call, although I could tell that my dominion really messed you up economically. I was able to exploit that to a certain extent this past turn with that arouse hunger spam since most of your provinces only had 1 PD. By the way, this is one of the many reasons scouts are so dangerous: I had mapped all of our provinces defenses so I could pearl harbor your temples. I was originally going to just hit the temple provinces without fortresses, but then I realized I could hit ALL of your provinces in one turn. Don't hate me
By the way, who gave you that supply item? Bone Daddy would like to have a few words with your supplier 
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July 4th, 2012, 06:23 AM
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Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
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Originally Posted by HoleyDooley
Really interesting subject brought up though was the Utterdark being cast.
I had not thought of it in terms of hurting people you have NAPs with.
Now my mind has been awakened to this i would definitely cancel NAPs before hand.
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AFAIK, all game-ender spells are considered breaking a NAP - even the ones that don`t hurt you directly, like Arcane Nexus, or Forge. Just because casting one is effectively saying "and now I gonna win this game".
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July 4th, 2012, 05:35 AM
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Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
Comrade,
I think maybe cutting Rev2 a break here for future games and diplomacy could be the go.
I am all for NAPs and abiding by them, if people feel differently thats fine, its a free world...but I will stick to my word.
But honestly, I would have cast UD not realising that its negative effects on anyone I had a NAP with was in fact a breach of the NAP.
Now, thanks to this discussion I have been enlightened and I doubt from reading Revs comments above, he will do so in the future......its the little things like this that make you realise, you still have a long way to go in learning all about this game.
Enjoy your final battles Matt, and thanks for a great game until I got swamped that is...lol.
HD
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July 4th, 2012, 06:29 AM
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Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
shard-
so, say i was ulm and had a nap with you. do i have to give you three turns notice before i throw up the forge? or are you saying, i put it up, then our nap is null and void?
honestly just asking here.
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July 4th, 2012, 07:14 AM
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Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
It has no direct negative effect on his income, gem or otherwise...so I would say no cancellation is necessary.
I believe what SP is saying (correct me if I am wrong SP)is that when you put up such globals...you put a giant target on your back.
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July 4th, 2012, 09:31 AM
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Re: BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]
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or are you saying, i put it up, then our nap is null and void?
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This. Forge, if used correctly, can promote a nation from "strong" to "unbeatable" in like 2-3 turns (and if one casts it - he, most likely, has enough gems and forging plan), so giving a 3-turn notice is a luxury that generally cannot be afforded. Same with Arcane Nexus - it can generate over 100 pearls/turn (assuming there is active endgame going), so it becomes nasty really fast.
Of course, it depends - sometimes those enchantments are more of a way to level playing field somewhat.
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