Mod Bretonnia, Knights of the Grail - Page 12

Foodstamp · #1 December 14th, 2009, 10:10 AM

I finally had a chance to modify this mod to make it fit into my super mod and work well with Bogarus.

This mod is a lot of fun. I like the farsummons and the units. The graphics are really nice.

One thing I noticed is that the few mages you do have are very powerful. I think this is supposed to be offset by the high lab costs? Very early in the game a point is reached where the more expensive lab is a trivial matter using standard settings. I play with a gold modifier that is roughly about half the standard, so it did have an effect on my game.

Even though the mages are very powerful, really they are not much different than Tien Chi's mages, so I wouldn't mess with them.

Overall the mod seems fairly balanced to me. Powerful in the early game, evening out later on.

One more thing I noticed is there are several typos in the descriptions. I didn't make note of any specific one, but many of the descriptions I read had misspelled words.

Burnsaber · #2 December 21st, 2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sombre

One thing I noticed in the sign of the hammer game was that Bretonnia is HARD AS NAILS to siege. I'm not sure if this was intended, but with their freespawning of troops I couldn't get anywhere near cracking their walls, even with my own freespawn as Tomb Kings. This doesn't really fit with Bretonnia imo. I mean I get that forts are huge for them and maybe that they should have more of them, but unlike Dwarfs for instance, they shouldn't be so great at digging in behind the walls. I mean they're an agricultural society.

One thing you could try is making peasant level Breton troops animals. That's certainly how the nobles see them anyway.

Hmm. That's a real problem. First, I'll take a look at their castles and see if I can give them castles that have ridiciliously poor supply and defence values. This should make using freespawn for castle protections hard.

That animal thing would look kind of odd, and make the peasants suspectible to animal awe, but it is an option if I can't tune the castles.

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Originally Posted by Foodstamp

One thing I noticed is that the few mages you do have are very powerful. I think this is supposed to be offset by the high lab costs?

Yeah, Grail Damsels are very powerful, mostly for thematic reasons. Grail Maidens are sort of necessary evil you have to recruit for research, they have poor combat paths and are very expensive researchers.

The high lab cost is mostly to make it hard for Breton to get good research going (afterall, they are quite backwards nation).

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Originally Posted by Foodstamp

One more thing I noticed is there are several typos in the descriptions. I didn't make note of any specific one, but many of the descriptions I read had misspelled words.

Hmm, and I just implemented Stavis's typo fixes. Could you please elaborate?

Sombre · #3 December 21st, 2009, 10:05 AM

I don't think the fort defence and supply values will make that much difference, the issue is more they're getting free wall repairers spawned within the castle as an economy entirely apart from castles and territory.

I'm thinking of taking freespawn out of skaven in most cases even, because this whole spawn economy just causes too many problems. I'll leave them with spells and allow giant rats to be spawned though.

Fantomen · #4 December 21st, 2009, 11:25 AM

@foodstamp: Couldn't the problem be related to you playing an undead nation? I mean undead suck at seiging, right?

Sombre · #5 December 21st, 2009, 12:31 PM

I think you meant to reply to me.

The answer is it doesn't matter what the sieging unit is, whether undead or mindless or whatever. That only matters when repairing walls.

See this thread for the full formula courtesy of lch:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=37875

Sombre · #6 December 21st, 2009, 12:34 PM

Burnsaber - I forgot that the #animal tag does not factor in the siege formula, so there would be no point making peasants animals.

Foodstamp · #7 December 21st, 2009, 08:37 PM

Burnsaber:

I will do even better. I will try to list as many as I can find for you.

DISCLAIMER: Some of the corrections I suggest may not apply because of the minor differences in English in Europe.

Mounted Yeoman:
dishonourable ---> dishonorable
Labour --> Labor
manoeuvres ----> maneuvers
Armour ---> Armor

Knight Errant(2756):
Labour --> labor
vigour --> vigor
colourful --> colorful

Grammar: The are out to make a name for themselves, hoping to be granted a fief for their bravery. (The should be They)

Knight Errant (2757):
Honour --> Honor
Same grammar error as Knight Errant

Pegasus Knight:
Pegasii --> Pegasi

Brettonian Pegasus
Same as Pegasus Knight

Yeoman Outrider:
Maneuvers is spelled wrong again

Brettonian Lord:
anough --> enough

Marquis:
neighbour --> neighbor
Knight Errants ---> Knights Errant

Grail Hero:
Pegasii --> pegasi

Grail Maiden:
Magics ---> Magic

Grail Damsel:
Rumour --> Rumor
splendour --> splendor

Lady of the Lake:
Channelling --> Channeling

The Green Knight:
Bastonge --> Bastogne (Unless Bastonge is the proper name in WH?)

The Last Druid:
which allowed him to fend of the Ermorian invaders and build the Kingdom of Bretonnia. (of should be off)

Beastmaster (Should this be Beast Master?):
Pegasii --> Pegasi

Battle Gryphon:
agression --> aggression

Grail Crusade:
judgement --> judgment

Ride the Winds:
suprise --> surprise

Virtue of Nobility:
swordarm --> sword arm

Mist:
Bastonge --> Bastogne

Nation Description:
artefact --> artifact

Those are the ones I have found with a quick glance. I did not list the words that had extra Us like honour etc beyond the first instance because they may be intentional UK spellings.

Also I noticed the scout costs 0 gold. I changed it to 20. Was that intentional, maybe a CBM thing?

I hope that helps!

Sombre · #8 December 22nd, 2009, 07:09 AM

All those listed below are British English spellings. Not 'errors'.

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Originally Posted by Foodstamp

Mounted Yeoman:
dishonourable ---> dishonorable
Labour --> Labor
manoeuvres ----> maneuvers
Armour ---> Armor

Knight Errant(2756):
Labour --> labor
vigour --> vigor
colourful --> colorful

Knight Errant (2757):
Honour --> Honor

Yeoman Outrider:
Maneuvers is spelled wrong again

Marquis:
neighbour --> neighbor

Grail Damsel:
Rumour --> Rumor
splendour --> splendor

Lady of the Lake:
Channelling --> Channeling

Grail Crusade:
judgement --> judgment

Nation Description:
artefact --> artifact

Foodstamp · #9 December 22nd, 2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sombre

All those listed below are British English spellings. Not 'errors'.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foodstamp

Mounted Yeoman:
dishonourable ---> dishonorable
Labour --> Labor
manoeuvres ----> maneuvers
Armour ---> Armor

Knight Errant(2756):
Labour --> labor
vigour --> vigor
colourful --> colorful

Knight Errant (2757):
Honour --> Honor

Yeoman Outrider:
Maneuvers is spelled wrong again

Marquis:
neighbour --> neighbor

Grail Damsel:
Rumour --> Rumor
splendour --> splendor

Lady of the Lake:
Channelling --> Channeling

Grail Crusade:
judgement --> judgment

Nation Description:
artefact --> artifact

ALL of them? I knew most of them were, but some look really wrong like artefact, channelling, manoeuvres. The spellings just look very bizarre to me.

Burnsaber · #10 December 22nd, 2009, 11:48 AM

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Mounted Yeoman: 
Armour ---> Armor

Knight Errant(2756):

Grammar:  The are out to make a name for themselves, hoping to be granted a fief for their bravery. (The should be They)


Knight Errant (2757):

Same grammar error as Knight Errant

Pegasus Knight:
Pegasii --> Pegasi

Brettonian Pegasus
Same as Pegasus Knight

Brettonian Lord:
anough --> enough

Marquis:
Knight Errants ---> Knights Errant

Grail Hero:
Pegasii --> pegasi

Grail Maiden:
Magics ---> Magic


The Green Knight:
Bastonge --> Bastogne 

The Last Druid:
which allowed him to fend of the Ermorian invaders and build the Kingdom of Bretonnia. (of should be off)

Beastmaster (Should this be Beast Master?):
Pegasii --> Pegasi

Battle Gryphon:
agression --> aggression


Ride the Winds:
suprise --> surprise

Virtue of Nobility:
swordarm --> sword arm

Mist:
Bastonge --> Bastogne

Thanks, I picked up those which are not based on the UK/US spelling differences. I wrote descriptions on a word with British language settings, so it fixed always suggested english spellings. I kind of like it, as a sort of reference to the Arthurian myths.

Although I'll keep an eye out for "Armour", since dom3 uses the american spelling for that.

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Originally Posted by Foodstamp

Also I noticed the scout costs 0 gold. I changed it to 20. Was that intentional, maybe a CBM thing?

I did to make it consistent with Sombre's WH mods. On about 99% of cases, recruiting a scout from casle is a absolute waste of a commander slot, so I agree with Sombre's view on that national scouts should just cost 0 gold.

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Originally Posted by Foodstamp

I hope that helps!

That was a big help. Thanks a lot.

And about the siege/freespawn problem, I brainstormed some solutions. Opinions are welcome:

1) Make the freespawn cost more upkeep (by making them summon different units that the basic recruitable peasants).
2) Reduce the amount of freespawn to 2, but make the summons a bit better. Like Lord to 2 chain men-at-arms and Marquis to 2 Yeomen. I could reduce the gold cost of the leather men-at-arms further to see that they see use in Bretonnian armies.
3) Change the troops to domsummons -> the sieger can preach to get the freespawn in control.

Any of these changes could also be added with the castle change.