Beware of Ashdod - Page 5

Kristoffer O · #1 November 27th, 2008, 01:00 PM

A death bless is probably quite good vs. any giant nation. Afflictions easily build up to make your blessed giants rather useless.

JimMorrison · #2 November 27th, 2008, 01:21 PM

That's what I was thinking, D9 Eagles. Maybe W9D9, or D9/B8..... Change the meaning of the word "attrition". Actually, D9/B9, sooooo many Eagles, poor Ashdod will be swimming in Horrors.

Sombre · #3 November 28th, 2008, 08:48 PM

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Actually, D9/B9, sooooo many Eagles, poor Ashdod will be swimming in Horrors.

This leads me to believe you've never actually tried B9 bless. The enemy can kill /droves/ of your sacreds without worrying about horrors. The effect is pathetically weak, to the point where it can be ignored entirely.

MaxWilson · #4 November 28th, 2008, 11:19 PM

B9 bless is MR-resistable, so... wouldn't it be interesting if the horror mark/curse effect kicked in on a *hit* by the sacred as well as from its death? This might be too strong, but OTOH +4 Str. and horror-marking weapon (MR resists) isn't all that different from +350% afflictions and 2 AN weapon (MR resists) with unresistable disease, which you get from D9. Neither is probably quite as desirable as F9 or W9 but it would make the B9 bless non-laughable.

Naturally, you may choose to take B9 for reasons unrelated to blesses (as the FAQ points out, strong blesses often correspond to weak paths and vice versa), and really I'd rather have KO/JK working on their new project than on Dom3, but as a thought experiment I sort of like this idea.

-Max

P.S. I would also make an A9 bless grant Flight in combat. Hey, if it works for eagle warriors...

Endoperez · #5 November 29th, 2008, 07:54 AM

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+350% afflictions and 2 AN weapon (MR resists) with unresistable disease,

The Disease effect of Death 9 only kicks in if the 2AN(MR) damage gets through magic resistance in the first place. So it's actually 2AN+Disease (MR negates).

chrispedersen · #6 November 28th, 2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kristoffer O

A death bless is probably quite good vs. any giant nation. Afflictions easily build up to make your blessed giants rather useless.

Nah. With Niefle I just rotate the SC's out. Set the afflicted SC to research.

With an Exn6 bless, its relatively easy to get a fairy queen to heal afflictions; plus some of the giants have healers native.

Kristoffer O · #7 November 28th, 2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristoffer O

A death bless is probably quite good vs. any giant nation. Afflictions easily build up to make your blessed giants rather useless.

Nah. With Niefle I just rotate the SC's out. Set the afflicted SC to research.

With an Exn6 bless, its relatively easy to get a fairy queen to heal afflictions; plus some of the giants have healers native.

You are all so peaceful! You should not consider the game after research lvl 7. If you haven't won by then you will never win

Beat Ashdod about early, when they can't heal themselves with fairy queen. You can never plan for late game victories and hope to win. If you do you're a bore

cleveland · #8 November 28th, 2008, 01:06 PM

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You can never plan for late game victories and hope to win. If you do you're a bore

This should be in the manual.

Oh, and KO, please ignore any disparaging remarks about Machaka that may have surfaced in the "Machaka = least played nation" thread I started. I've been playing with them since that original post, and I've got to say, WOW. They are friggen awesome.

I don't want to tip my hand per my upcoming MP game, but you want to know how to kill Ashdod? Send an equivalent $$$ worth of Spider Riders at them. In fact, send $.

*skulks off to write Machaka guide outline*

MaxWilson · #9 November 28th, 2008, 11:47 PM

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I don't want to tip my hand per my upcoming MP game, but you want to know how to kill Ashdod? Send an equivalent $$$ worth of Spider Riders at them. In fact, send $.

Have you tested this? In my quick test game, E10N6 Ahimans (which Ashdod can get and still have positive scales) demolished spider knights. (I assume spider riders per se are not critical to the strategy? Spider knights are harder to mass and have no bows but I thought the increased Prot justified the choice.) 3 Ahimans (450 gold) routed 16 spider riders (800 gold) with zero losses. One of the Ahimans got ahead of the pack and got swarmed, resulting in him taking 4 points of damage per turn from poison, negating all but 2 points of his 6 HP regen. Still I think it's safe to say that the combination of high regen, high defense, and high Prot triumphed over the spider rider poison that time.

Just in case, I tried it again with Black Hunters instead of Spider Riders (10 Black Hunters = 1250 gold) led by an F4E4 Scorpion King. Result: 1 dead Ahiman. 10 routed Black Hunters (actually I think 4 of them died) and 1 dead Scorpion King.

-Max

cthulhu · #10 November 27th, 2008, 09:02 PM

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I can't say enough good things about Soul Vortex. Best spell an SC can have--chaff-killing + reinvig + regen all in one neat little package. You'll need a death booster or a death gem to cast it w/ Malkim.

Hm... what exactly does Soul Vortex do? I've never actually cast that spell. My impression was that it was basically an instant combat evocation comparable to a zero range area of effect drain life spell, and thus only minimally useful to an SC no matter what the damage was since spells can only be scripted in the first 5 turns and it would the sort of spell that you'd want to cast over and over again after the enemies were near to get good results from.