AI and systemwide facilities

Gandalph · #1 December 27th, 2002, 08:51 PM

My only answer to this problem was to put the system wide facility deep in the facility construction file. The AI will only build the system facility after 10 other facilities (10 being a random number). This does not help the stock AI's, and my custom AI's will still build a system wide facility in a system that only has 1 breathable with sufficient slots available, but it helps.

Rexxx · #2 December 28th, 2002, 02:01 AM

The AI - obviously - doesn't rely on the systemwide abilities of the religious Time Shrine and the "standard" System Robotoid Factory. It follows the construction orders for these facilities types on every planet in a system.

Mephisto · #3 December 28th, 2002, 02:34 AM

Not sure what the question is.

The AI will only build one system wide facility per system. Maybe more if you call them by different abilities but not when using the same ability.
regarding building them in a system with only a single planet: What's bad about this? If the planet is large enough it will help even the one single planet a lot. Just make sure to not place them right at the top of your AI build queue like Gandalf correctly suggested.

mottlee · #4 December 28th, 2002, 02:53 AM

I have seen the AI place one on a moon and there was only 3 planets in system

Q · #5 December 28th, 2002, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by Mephisto:
The AI will only build one system wide facility per system. Maybe more if you call them by different abilities but not when using the same ability.

This is not completely true. The AI will check only if there is already a facility present in the system with the system wide ability but ignore facilities under construction. Therefore several identical system wide facilities may be constructed at the same time and eventually present in the same system. I see this all the time.
A possible solution would be a special colony type that is only chosen once per system and then put all the system facilities on this colony.

Mephisto · #6 December 28th, 2002, 12:53 PM

That sounds right. In the end, my Ais never had a problem with it. Even if they have 2 such facilities it is no big deal. One might get destroyed and then you are glad that you have a backup.

Rexxx · #7 December 28th, 2002, 01:36 PM

Thanks for your answers.

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Originally posted by Q:

quote:
Originally posted by Mephisto:
The AI will only build one system wide facility per system. Maybe more if you call them by different abilities but not when using the same ability.

This is not completely true. The AI will check only if there is already a facility present in the system with the system wide ability but ignore facilities under construction. Therefore several identical system wide facilities may be constructed at the same time and eventually present in the same system. I see this all the time.
A possible solution would be a special colony type that is only chosen once per system and then put all the system facilities on this colony.

I'm not sure that this AI ckeck works when it comes to System Robotoid Factories. In a present game the AI builds them although there are already one or more existing (there were constructed years ago) in the system.
As you said the check will ignore facilities under construction. That restriction should led to a lot of System Gravitational Shields due to their very long construction times. I'm just curious but I've never seen the AI built two of them in a system.

EDIT: Just a chance shot: maybe the check fails for new created planets????

[ December 28, 2002, 11:56: Message edited by: Rexxx ]

Mephisto · #8 December 28th, 2002, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Rexxx:
EDIT: Just a chance shot: maybe the check fails for new created planets????

That could be the answer. I never saw 3 or more SRF in a system with any of my races with "pre-build" planets but I'm not sure for created planets.

oleg · #9 December 28th, 2002, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by Q:

quote:
Originally posted by Mephisto:
The AI will only build one system wide facility per system. Maybe more if you call them by different abilities but not when using the same ability.

This is not completely true. The AI will check only if there is already a facility present in the system with the system wide ability but ignore facilities under construction. Therefore several identical system wide facilities may be constructed at the same time and eventually present in the same system. I see this all the time.
A possible solution would be a special colony type that is only chosen once per system and then put all the system facilities on this colony.

I usually use different method: diversify colony types, using planet size as a criteria. For example I usualy have several mineral mining colony types with different order of facilities for tiny, small, etc. planets. There' still a problem with non-breathable planets but I arange system wide facilities that they can be build on breathable planets only.

Master Belisarius · #10 December 28th, 2002, 10:52 PM

I had the same experience that Rexxx reported with the System Robotoid facility. Even in systems with no "created" planets.