BIG AI problem in Proportion games with "classical" movement :( :(

PsychoTechFreak · #1 March 6th, 2003, 03:41 PM

But usually it doesn't necessarily mean a problem, although it looks like the contrary in your tests. I recall the old "cannot colonize because I am cloaked" problem in the cases you switch a comp player to human control, which does not happen in case of the AI does not feel to be watched

The cargo ability is a similar (transporter) issue I guess like the SY components -> resupply transporters. Have you done a similar test already without cargo ability?

[ March 06, 2003, 13:45: Message edited by: PsychoTechFreak ]

oleg · #2 March 6th, 2003, 03:47 PM

My latest observations were in non-connect game. It is possible that in "normal" game AI is more flexible, changing ship orders more often.
Sometimes it is not a problem but I witnessed a total AI break down

Another puzzle : It happens only after Ai discovers ion engine III

I ship ships have ion engines I or II, they buzz happily around, but once get refitted with IO-III - strike

Go figure !

Krsqk · #3 March 6th, 2003, 05:05 PM

I thought the Cargo Storage ability still worked with Value 1 of zero. The intent was to allow supply tankers to use transport hulls, wasn't it?

oleg · #4 March 6th, 2003, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Krsqk:
I thought the Cargo Storage ability still worked with Value 1 of zero. The intent was to allow supply tankers to use transport hulls, wasn't it?

Yes, but cargo storage of supply bays is not 0 but some positive number. May be I should try to change it to 0 and see how it works...

JLS · #5 March 6th, 2003, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by oleg:

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Originally posted by Krsqk:
I thought the Cargo Storage ability still worked with Value 1 of zero. The intent was to allow supply tankers to use transport hulls, wasn't it?

Yes, but cargo storage of supply bays is not 0 but some positive number. May be I should try to change it to 0 and see how it works...

Oleg,
(At := zero) It makes for a much neater and organized look, when transferring cargo. Has work fine in my tests, but I will certainly retest it

For example fighters to a carrier in a large mixed fleet...

Check it out�.

This was a suggestion from SJ.

[ March 06, 2003, 16:27: Message edited by: JLS ]

oleg · #6 March 6th, 2003, 08:40 PM

Damn, setting "cargo storage = 0" does not cure the problem

AI is still trying to load population to 100% full ship ! What is going on ?
Fortunately, it seems to be a very severe problem only in Non-connected game. In "normal" settings AI somehow manages to struggle through this bug/
So, if you are planning a Non-connected game, be sure to use simultaneous movements !

PsychoTechFreak · #7 March 6th, 2003, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by oleg:

So, if you are planning a Non-connected game, be sure to use simultaneous movements !

Noooooooooooooooooooo

I hate simultaneous for solo proportion games, because of its own glitches- things like you need at least speed 2 to use EP pods, ships are searching their own ways and god knows what else. In some cases I would like to decide if tactical or strategic combat, I mean try to capture a home planet after 100 years in strategic and you know what I mean. In some cases after just 25 years it has taken about 2 years blockading and loosing one fleet after the other even in tactical combat.