[OT] Plato's Pub and Philosophical Society

[Chronon]

Well said, Alpha Kodiak, that does seem to sum it all up.

Personally, I cannot accept a Christian god, but I recognize that there is more to the universe than we perceive. I think that perhaps there is some room in the middle if one's spiritual leanings are more Eastern. I think it is possible to conceive of a universe that is directed by the Tao (or some such path, way, energy, or universal harmony) that does not necessarily involve the Supernatural with a capital S. Perhaps nature itself is directing the process?

But I digress. In our American culture, dominated by Christianity and secular science, the debate is just as you've described it.