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Old October 9th, 2003, 03:22 AM
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Default Re: OT: BSE (aka Mad Cow Disease) in the US

the mouse has a good point, one that's finally been taken by the Canadian governments. Anything in the pipeline now might have BSE, but anything being bred right now won't. Of course you won't see a BSE animal coming out of Britian, USA or Canada cause they're all slaughtered before the age of 3 yrs... just before symptoms would present themselves In truth there are probably 1 in a million spontaneous cases of BSE, but we don't see them cause the animals are too young. The Canadian example was likely a spontaneous case (thought the press never reported this) that just happened to be geriatric.

[quote]A single protien, a warped form of one occuring naturally in most mammals... As a single protien, we don't know of any method to destroy them all... Unfortunately, one is all it takes. Cooking infected meat won't help much.[quote]

It's a single type of protein all right. The protein is very stable when misfolded, so again, you're right, there's no way to denature all the misfolded Versions (unless you like eating charcoal ). However, one misfolded protein is not enough. Well, it is enough, but because the disease is based upon cascading misfolding, you need to be infected by a reasonable dose for the symptoms to be seen. That is to say, if you were infected by a single prion, and lived to be 10 million years old, yes you could develop the disease. Otherwise, 1 million or so misfolded proteins will have no noticable affect on your physiology.

Also the rate of spontaneous misfolding is relatively rare, so eating any mammal could potentially give you this disease. In fact being a mammal could be a problem if you want to avoid BSE and it's analogues completely
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A good point has been made. The odds of getting v.CJD from a single case of BSE is something like one chance in 10 billion. And the Canadian case never hit the food chain--in any way. In my opinion, there is no reason why the US border shouldn't be opened to Canadian beef immediately. But hey, I'm prejudiced
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In my opinion, there is no reason why the US border shouldn't be opened to Canadian beef immediately. But hey, I'm prejudiced
If that happens, the Japanese will freak and close the border on North American beef.

Canada loses, America loses, Brazil wins :|

(No offense to all you brazilians. It just seems to me that whatever happens, brazil won't be affected by all this stupidity.)

Edit: BTW, how many countries have opened the border yet? I know Japan hasn't, but that Mexico has and America has partially opened up. I think most of the other countries have opened up but I'm not sure.

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recieved an email once. how do you tell the difference between a normal cow and a mad cow:

cow: Mooooow

mad cow:MoooHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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US FDA does have restrictions on what to feed the livestock but they are stupid:
you cant feed cows cow brains but pig is ok.
you cant feed pigs pig brains but cow is ok.
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In my opinion, there is no reason why the US border shouldn't be opened to Canadian beef immediately. But hey, I'm prejudiced
If that happens, the Japanese will freak and close the border on North American beef.


Which is the problem. I'd like to know how Japan justifies how it is screwing our cattle insustry. It was ONE cow found I think in March. It was detected BEFORE entering the food chain. Not a single other case was found. None of the other animals in its herd or any herd it had been with were found with BSE. Japan had 7 or 8 cases in around 2000 I think. Seems (to my uneducated brain) that this suggests that there is more chance of undetected BSE in Japan than Canada.
It's hard not to suspect that dirty politics is the real reason the ban is still in effect.
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Which is the problem. I'd like to know how Japan justifies how it is screwing our cattle insustry.
Well, the European cattle industry wants to know the exact same thing from the US and Canada. The north american states did the exact same thing when they were "BSE-free" to protect their market.
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