OT: Saddam Hussein Arrested

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by rextorres:
What lack of commitment are you talking about - can you be more specific. Kosovo and Haiti were the only adventures that Clinton got us into and they were relative successes.

Uhhh, Somalia? That was such an utter debacle they made a movie about it.

Eight years of talking tough with Afganistan, and not doing anything more then lobbing an occasional cruise missle. That's exactly what people mean when they say a lack of commitment.

Haiti was a military success. How could it not be? Haiti was probably the only country in the world capable of putting up less of a fight then Grenada. But the operation was a failure in it's main objective, which was to detract attention from the Presidential daliances.

Geoschmo

[CNCRaymond]

Originally posted by Roanon:

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Originally posted by CNCRaymond:
But again, I think this is a case where the ends did justify the means.

This is exactly where I - and I think many other people - disagree. Remember your own words:

We should never stand idle when human rights are being violated, and people are being appressed.

This is a very hypocrite statement if you support actions violating human rights and oppressing people in cases where you think they are "justified". And it is a common ideology I encounter, the alleged motivation by morals, but the fact they rarely care for any other of the numerous dictatorships in the world and put their moral standards aside when it comes to their own actions.

Yes, I am glad that this dictatorship is over. But it had been possible to do it with other means. But that would have meant less profit for Haliburton etc.

You must be speaking about the French, Germans, Russians, and those people here in the US that apposed the war.

Generalizing this way is like I would say that every war supporter is a greedy war profiteer with something like a good job at Haliburton. And this "these people enjoy human suffering" is outrageous and personally offending me.

I utterly despise people who think they are the utmost in moral authority and therefore take it as their god-given right to treat everyone having a different opinion like a piece of ****.

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First, I do not believe what I said to be hipocritical. I think that you are distorting what I did say to fit your counter argument.

And I could careless if I have offended you. Your tone with me is far more offensive than anything I said. If you want to get down to brass tax over this, then what I said lacked a couple of words that would make it more politically correct for those with sensative eyes. So allow me to clarify my word as not to seem like a "moral authority" out to "treat everyone having a different opinion like a piece of ****" to use your words. (NOTE: I find your editorial comments to lack both credibility and professionalism.)

Oh kind sir, you must be speaking about those noble honest free loving French, Germans, Russians, and american people who justly opposed the vile George W. Bush and his genicidal war against the inocent and humbly kind leader of Iraq, Saddam.

How was that Roanon? Does that meet with your approval and opinion??

What I posted was no more or less right or wrong than what has been posted before by others. If you take me to task on what I say, I will do the same to you. That being said, I believe you owe me an apology.

[ December 14, 2003, 20:40: Message edited by: CNCRaymond ]

[rextorres]

Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by rextorres:
What lack of commitment are you talking about - can you be more specific. Kosovo and Haiti were the only adventures that Clinton got us into and they were relative successes.

Uhhh, Somalia? That was such an utter debacle they made a movie about it.

Eight years of talking tough with Afganistan, and not doing anything more then lobbing an occasional cruise missle. That's exactly what people mean when they say a lack of commitment.

Haiti was a military success. How could it not be? Haiti was probably the only country in the world capable of putting up less of a fight then Grenada. But the operation was a failure in it's main objective, which was to detract attention from the Presidential daliances.

Geoschmo

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Bush senior got us into Somalia.

[ December 14, 2003, 21:11: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[rextorres]

[quote]Originally posted by CNCRaymond:

Not to discount your views, but you have a lot to learn about how to communicate with poeple. You are far to argumentative and to me you appear to be out looking for a fight to justify your point of view. Just discuss the topic, don't declar war over it.

I think that's unfair. I've staked out a position and you merely disagree with it. When you disagree with my position it's discussion when I refute your position it's argumentative.

Still I have not attacked anyone. On the other hand you've gone out of your way twice to mention me and Fyron even called me "partisan" because he disagrees with all my postitions but of course he not a partisan - anyway Loser specifically asked for my opinions.

And yes I do believe Bush lied - no WMD have been found.

[ December 14, 2003, 21:10: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[Roanon]

Originally posted by CNCRaymond:
What I posted was no more or less right or wrong than what has been posted before by others. If you take me to task on what I say, I will do the same to you. That being said, I believe you owe me an apology.

Well I think it was less right, but this is not the main point. You are personally attacking people just disagreeing with you and offending them. You even openly admit that you don't care if you do. There is someone here who owes some people an apology, Mr. I-am-the-moral-universe.

BTW, I do not care for political correctness. A hypocrite is a hypocrite, regardless how he puts his words. Implying I would do is another insult.

[Unknown_Enemy]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:
Simple - occuply it until the threat of theocracy passes. We had troops in Germany and Japan for many years for similar reasons. Here I will criticize Bush - we should NOT leave by June. Stay until the job is done. [/QB]

Woundwort, it seems to me that lots of people believed Iraq would be similar to Germany/Japan after WW2.

What USA really ended with is a new Liban.

Look at the facts : Kurds in the north with their own agenda. Sunnite in the center grieving for their lost power. Chia in the south who are about to be in power.

I am sorry to say so, but mark my words, the end of Saddam is not going to bring peace in Iraq. The end of Saddam is not going bring stability to this country.

But his end is going to make lots of people's sleep easier.

[CNCRaymond]

Your right, I have mentioned you twice, and that is because I was talking to you specifically.

I wanted to be clear that I enjoy and value opinions that differ from my own. You have a very strong sense of yours, and that is fantastic in my humble opinion. I just would enjoy reading them without all of the hostility.

Then again, I who am I to judge. You have made some excellent points and have stood your ground.

BTW, I think Geoschmo was talking about President Clinton and not GW senior. Just and FYI.

And you do remind me an awful lot of the guy I mentioned before. More power to you man.