I got the AIC Blues... ::singing::

[JLS]

Originally posted by Yimboli:
okay i still have more questions

also, i'm still wondering why my towns and colonial settlements only upgrade as high as temporal city, and wont upgrade to metropolises

thx again!

-Timbo

Tim, the Urban Settlements expansion options have been set with ways to compensate for Global "Upgrade Facilities" as not to expand accidentally on a Communities upgrade all the way to a Colonial Culture Center { that would result in an improbable endeavor if that planet contains a small population base }. This is also applied as a slight work around for an old se4 Human Player upgrade cheat.

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I/we have requested for seV, when the Global "Upgrade Facilities" button is used that a (Are you sure y/n) conformation is acknowledged.

The global Empire Upgrade Facilities button is not disastrous when used playing AIC. However, Players should continue to upgrade Settlements thru to Cities and Metropls thru to Colonial Culture Center, etc. at the Planet Level

[ May 02, 2004, 16:37: Message edited by: JLS ]

[oleg]

Originally posted by Yimboli:
...also, i'm still wondering why my towns and colonial settlements only upgrade as high as temporal city, and wont upgrade to metropolises

thx again!

-Timbo

Delibarate. It would be too easy to build metropolises otherwise.

[Grand Lord Vito]

Originally posted by Yimboli:
no, the population spread isn't that bad. I can't afford to transport my people because the starliners cost 1k minerals maintenance, so the 6 i have is already stretching it. as for the cities on my best planets, they take so damn long to build that i only have a few on each one.
-Tim

I suggest you dont build Cities early, start with only a few settlements at most. New Systems will really benefit from the space port and other advantages of AIC settlements and all the Urban Comunities do not need a resource rich planet to be profitable in AIC

You need Organic planets early to support your empires growth and that speed of growth is determined by the amount of star liners you have. (This is why JLS tacked on the Organices to the starloner POP LS Module) to demenonstrat the need for organics. This is also true wneh building or expanding Settlements, Cities and Metroploitan Mega cities you need FOOD for you populations and large Cities need LARGE POPULATIONS TO EXPAND if they are to upgrade in a speedy way and the planetary urban gowth will depend on your FOOD reserves or you will have to put the planets on hold until your economy catchs up if noot careful

I also am temporal and what Oleg sayes is true they can be a vacume for rads and now you need Organics to Grow, it will be a tough economic balance for you early, but you will do fine.

If you are not slautered by the mersoluse AIC AI first that is

(AIC AI at med AI or higher bonus waits for no human )

[ May 02, 2004, 22:11: Message edited by: Grand Lord Vito ]

[Yimboli]

thanks! more questions to come when I beat this moo3 game i have going....

-tim

[JLS]

Originally posted by Grand Lord Vito:

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This is also true wneh building or expanding Settlements, Cities and Metroploitan Mega cities you need FOOD for you populations and large Cities need LARGE POPULATIONS TO EXPAND if they are to upgrade in a speedy way

and the planetary urban gowth will depend on your FOOD reserves


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Actually GLV. When Playing AIC with the Starliner option ON…
Name := SO* (Found in Racial Traits menu, please DISABLE if Starliner ON is desired)

Your Empires Growth and success depends on the total amount of STAR LINERS you have migrating your population from the Home World or other High Pop Colonies - to the fledgling Colonies and/or Worlds with Urban expansion projects you want commenced. ( Set Fleet orders and repeat recommended)

Moreover, your total STAR LINER numbers depend on your Empires Organics operations. With the above AIC option, “The growth of your empire does depend on your total available food reserves”

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With Starliner Option OFF
(Defalted; otherwise, please re-enabled if desired)
Name := SO*
With *HP* above, this is a Standard Starting Option: Resulting in a more robust game that requires LESS Micro Management and logistics. Your game will be less dependent on Star Liners with this option.

This allows for a Civilizations advance towards organized Immigration doctrines. With this, Players are now able to build Debarkation Depots that can be tied together with your Empires Supply Hubs. Easily constructed, this will increase all Population migrations automatically and indiscriminately to all Colonized Planets in that System the Depot was constructed. The need and effort for Star Liners as Population transports are vastly diminished with this option enabled.

[ May 04, 2004, 14:07: Message edited by: JLS ]

[oleg]

Originally posted by JLS:
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With Starliner Option OFF
(Defalted; otherwise, please re-enabled if desired)
Name := SO*
With *HP* above, this is a Standard Starting Option: Resulting in a more robust game that requires LESS Micro Management and logistics. Your game will be less dependent on Star Liners with this option.

This allows for a Civilizations advance towards organized Immigration doctrines. With this, Players are now able to build Debarkation Depots that can be tied together with your Empires Supply Hubs. Easily constructed, this will increase all Population migrations automatically and indiscriminately to all Colonized Planets in that System the Depot was constructed. The need and effort for Star Liners as Population transports are vastly diminished with this option enabled.

I still think this option is way too powerfull. You can easily outpace AI so I never play withthis automatic replicant centers. It removes any need for planet condition improvement, optimal expansion strategy planning, etc.

Better option would be faster and cheaper straliners tech for this option plus "gestation vats" with high value for population growth. You will get faster development but still retain Proportionesque feature of the mod.
Just my .2c

[JLS]

Originally posted by oleg:

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Originally posted by JLS:
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With Starliner Option OFF
(Defalted; otherwise, please re-enabled if desired)
Name := SO*
With *HP* above, this is a Standard Starting Option: Resulting in a more robust game that requires LESS Micro Management and logistics. Your game will be less dependent on Star Liners with this option.

This allows for a Civilizations advance towards organized Immigration doctrines. With this, Players are now able to build Debarkation Depots that can be tied together with your Empires Supply Hubs. Easily constructed, this will increase all Population migrations automatically and indiscriminately to all Colonized Planets in that System the Depot was constructed. The need and effort for Star Liners as Population transports are vastly diminished with this option enabled.

I still think this option is way too powerfull. You can easily outpace AI so I never play withthis automatic replicant centers. It removes any need for planet condition improvement, optimal expansion strategy planning, etc.

Better option would be faster and cheaper straliners tech for this option plus "gestation vats" with high value for population growth. You will get faster development but still retain Proportionesque feature of the mod.
Just my .2c

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Your point is valid, Oleg. With the Starliners ON (OS* option disabled) for your AIC game play option, you will continue to have a desperate need for increased Starliner numbers continuously. Retaining the feel that the Star Liners PVK and myself co-developed for Proportion Mod many years ago, provide.

Your reduced SL Organics suggestion has been play tested months ago. Reducing the Organic Costs for Star Liner LS with AIC, in many Players opinion does diminish the Economics and logistic feel for the need of agricultural support and its advancement to sustain massive Imperial population growths and expantion.

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option is way too powerfull. You can easily outpace AI

This would be with regard to(OS* option enabled)

Again you have a point as it may apply to the relative POP numbers EARLY in the game when comparing Population Totals against the AI. However, there are many more variables that are in play with Starliners OFF that is not to the Human Players best interests when competing against the AIC AI overall or as well

[ May 04, 2004, 16:54: Message edited by: JLS ]