Completely OT : Cannes, Mickael Moore and the Iraq War

[psimancer]

for the most part i agree with dmm

however on a non intellectual level

the actions and attitudes of micheal moore are personally offensive to me why i dont know he just ticks me off sorta like barbara steisand i love her early movies but by god seeing her in any other context just causes a massive urge to smack some sense into the woman

i have come to the conclusion that
as my father had to do with me as a immature youth
most of the "activist" stars of hollywood need some common sense pounded into their backsides
i suspect most of them of being raised in a environment devoid of corporeal punishment
which means their personal developement is approximatly 30 years behind (once they hit 60 they might finally gain some common sense but i wont make book on it)

[dmm]

I'd also like to say, without any sarcasm, that I love how this community discusses visceral issues without losing its collective cool. Discussion gets heated, but rarely explodes. A nice change from normality, especially web normality. (You can bet Michael Moore wouldn't Last long here. )

[Unknown_Enemy]

Originally posted by psimancer:
i suspect most of them of being raised in a environment devoid of corporeal punishment
which means their personal developement is approximatly 30 years behind (once they hit 60 they might finally gain some common sense but i wont make book on it)

Uhhh !
Do you mean a child will become a retard if his parents don't use corporeal punishment ?
I hope I did miss some humour here. In my book, I have corporeal punishment as an exception, and a bad one.

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by psimancer:
i suspect most of them of being raised in a environment devoid of corporeal punishment
which means their personal developement is approximatly 30 years behind (once they hit 60 they might finally gain some common sense but i wont make book on it)

Isn't there a ironic smiley missing? If not I would suggest you better not raise children in Germany. Corporeal punishment of humans of any age (0-99 years) is a crime, even for parents, and you WILL get convicted for it (I have first hand knowledge as a co-Judge during my court stage).

[Baron Munchausen]

This view of child-rearing is unfortunately still very prevalent in the US, Mephisto. It might not be the 'majority' view anymore but it's still quite common. The readiness to use raw force in basic family life might have something to do with the over-use of raw force in our international policies, too.

[Urendi Maleldil]

I don't think a good spanking is corporal punishment. That's just discipline. Corporal punishment is when the teacher whacks you across the knuckles with a yardstick.

The real discipline problem is with families. A good chunk of the people I know come from divorced or crumbling homes. Kids need good moms and dads who teach with love and a strong hand. There just aren't that many of them anymore.

It's going to suck when they grow up to be presidents and world leaders... oh wait.

[geoschmo]

Despite my pre-conceived opinion about Moore, I actually would like to go see the movie. I appreciate hearing opinions that conflict with my own, and if nothing else I'm sure it would be good for a few laughs. However, I can't sit through the graphic scenes. I understand he's got scenes of dead and mutilated Iraqi's as well one of the hostage beheadings. While I can understand why he feels the need to show this for shock value or whatever, I don't need proof that war is hell.

Graphic imagary is quite shocking and compelling on an emotional level, but it does nothing to put forward a rational discussion of the issues and events around the descision to go to war.

No sane person loves war. But sane people can come to the conclusion that war is sometimes neccesary. Moore could have made the argument against the neccesity of the war without the graphic images. If he had I probably would have gone to see it.

[ June 29, 2004, 02:04: Message edited by: geoschmo ]