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		hey you should also check out world of darkness..  Vampire Dark Ages... They have some great maps of cities from that time. 
 
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		City designer doesn't have a demo Version and I don't have money to spare right now, so that's going to have to wait. 
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		Well, the city i was born in was one of the biggest during the middelages (Bruges). 
It counted between 40.000 and 45.000 people between 1200 - 1400. 
I don't know about the size of the city but it would have only taken you about an hour to walk from 1 side to another, maximum. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		It's amazing how much the world's population has grown over the Last few centuries!  Those medieval capitals don't sound very big at all... 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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