OT: The Passion of the Christ movie - Page 2

Aiken · #11 May 23rd, 2004, 02:54 PM

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One guy says he regrets his crimes etc. and of course JC forgives him.
The other dude, however, remains sceptic and even a bit insulting towards JC's divine powers, and THEN a black raven appears, picking out the "evil" dudes eye. What does this mean?

About that scene... since I'm neither Mel nor film critic/analyser I can't say for sure, but if the punishment of infidels was the main message of the film then we should saw the severe punishment of Pharisees and those romans with scourges. But we won't. Then remember Judas: it was satan who drove him to suicide, not god. And black raven is typically demonic symbol, but not divine like pigeon in christianity.

Will · #12 May 23rd, 2004, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Grauzone:
But too many sects of "Christianity" do not propagate what Jesus wanted. Their interpretations of his "will" and his "intetions" are very arbitrary. I can agree with very few of them, but in most cases i do not.

Jesus, deliver us from your followers!

Atrocities · #13 May 23rd, 2004, 08:27 PM

"Follow me or I will have crows peck out your eyes!"

Sounds like a dictator to me. I just don't know.

AMF · #14 May 23rd, 2004, 09:19 PM

"Speaketh thou not ill about thy government, lest we throw you in jail without anyone knowing, allowing access to a lawyer, recognition of any rights, or a trial by a jury of your peers"

Patriot Act, 2004

Atrocities · #15 May 23rd, 2004, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by alarikf:
"Speaketh thou not ill about thy government, lest we throw you in jail without anyone knowing, allowing access to a lawyer, recognition of any rights, or a trial by a jury of your peers"

Patriot Act, 2004

If this were true, then why in the hell aren't all the protesters in Jail? Why have they not been declared enemies of the state and tossed away?

Simply, the law does not work like that.

The Patriot Act allows for violations of other rights, but it does not give them the right to just "throw" any one for any thing into jail without due-process.

And what does any of this have to do with the current discussion?

Grauzone · #16 May 23rd, 2004, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by Will:

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Originally posted by Grauzone:
But too many sects of "Christianity" do not propagate what Jesus wanted. Their interpretations of his "will" and his "intetions" are very arbitrary. I can agree with very few of them, but in most cases i do not.

Jesus, deliver us from your followers!

I've never thought of foundation of an own "religion". But it is an good idea ...

My opinion is found on missionaries tryed to proselytise me to some of this "churches". I remember my Last proselytisation: he wants to sell me forgiveness after my life, i want to bye fairness -> after 5 hours discussion no deal

Now i'm waitig on my next missionary ...

Grauzone · #17 May 23rd, 2004, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
And what does any of this have to do with the current discussion?

sounds archaic. like old testament. burn the sinners. death to all enemies. erase the unbeleavers. interesting law

AMF · #18 May 23rd, 2004, 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
If this were true, then why in the hell aren't all the protesters in Jail? Why have they not been declared enemies of the state and tossed away?

Simply, the law does not work like that. The Patriot Act allows for violations of other rights, but it does not give them the right to just "throw" any one for any thing into jail without due-process.

And what does any of this have to do with the current discussion?

Because you said ""Follow me or I will have crows peck out your eyes!"... Sounds like a dictator to me. I just don't know."

And so I was drawing the obvious parrellel between then and now in terms of dictators.

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
Simply, the law does not work like that. The Patriot Act allows for violations of other rights, but it does not give them the right to just "throw" any one for any thing into jail without due-process.

Well, as I understand it, the Patriot act gives the government the right to "throw just anyone in jail" so long as they are declared to be "terrorists" - and does revoke their right to due process, representation, outside notification, etc all based on the good faith of the government. And they say they don;t torture people too...the point being that no one is watching the watchmen, the people now rely upon the good faith of the government to govern itself and its behaviour unless I've got it wrong...and, in terms of this discussion, heck, not sure that it does relate, but someone brought up dictators...although if you ask me, any decent christian nowadays should be considering Bush and Ashcroft to be the latest incarnations of the anti-christ...

Atrocities · #19 May 24th, 2004, 12:29 AM

I believe that you are mistaken regarding the Patriot Act.

All I wanted to know is what any of your statement had to do with the current dicussion. Now I know. Thanks.

And It was Clinton / Gore who were the true anti christs.

[ May 23, 2004, 23:35: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

freduk · #20 May 24th, 2004, 01:20 AM

We'll it wasn't hidden within the movie that JC was such a forgiving dude. Actually it was right on the forefront, the movie was about torture and the ultimate forgiveness and compassion of JC.

I just wasn't very impressed by it

One question has arisen having seen this movie: final scene: JC and some crooks are nailed and/or strapped to crosses.
One guy says he regrets his crimes etc. and of course JC forgives him.
The other dude, however, remains sceptic and even a bit insulting towards JC's divine powers, and THEN a black raven appears, picking out the "evil" dudes eye. What does this mean?

1) JC is forgiving, as long as you follow His way?
2) We have a punishing god, who goes around torturing people whenever he likes?
3) MEL does not understand his own religion???