Question about Ulm and iron faith

[Treebeard]

BTW, does anyone know if the constructs are considered holy units in the golem cult? That would make them very interesting.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Originally posted by Pocus:
I must say that as of now, I'm not that happy with themes. Many have a big potential, not necessarly in power, but in originality. But as of now, they are either underpowered, or not polished enough, with loopholes found in many places.

I think national themes and generic ones should be kept distinct, so you could pick one of each - eg, Serpent Cult + Water Cult for Pythium, Niefelheim + Heart of Winter for Jotunheim, Iron Faith + Ceremonial Faith for Ulm - all seem thematic.

About strictly national themes, I don't think Serpent Cult and Miasma are underpowered (well, about the former, it may look so when you compare it to the overpowered regular Pythium). Blood of Humans and Iron Faith certainly are. Anyway let's wait for a couple more weeks before forging opinions.

[Pocus]

sure, and I think the MP frequency of these themes will be a good indicator on how they are balanced (or not). Because MP is a very competitive environment, where people make tests before playing.

I was a bit cooled down on theme, after having tried Blood of Human Desert Tombs, and then Serpent Cult. Serpent Cult is not that bad, but compared to regular Pythium dont stand in power. If themes are only there for SP, because they are underpowered, then it would be a pity.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Originally posted by Treebeard:
BTW, does anyone know if the constructs are considered holy units in the golem cult? That would make them very interesting.

The description says cult constructs get more health when built in your dominion - how much more BTW? Is it dependent on dominion strength?. If you add holiness on top of that - wow! Now what kind of blessing would you prefer on a Crusher? A Golem? A Gargoyle? An Iron Dragon?

[Treebeard]

I don't think the bless bonus would meant much to a crusher (besides regeneration, which I doubt would be allowed). Possible astral would be good, for the extra MR, but that's about it.

Now, if the the HT bonus is similar to the one found in pretender and prophets, then it would be too strong IMHO.

Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:

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Originally posted by Treebeard:
BTW, does anyone know if the constructs are considered holy units in the golem cult? That would make them very interesting.

The description says cult constructs get more health when built in your dominion - how much more BTW? Is it dependent on dominion strength?. If you add holiness on top of that - wow! Now what kind of blessing would you prefer on a Crusher? A Golem? A Gargoyle? An Iron Dragon?

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[Taqwus]

Keir -- Agreed. Worse magic (through worse research) + fast, powerful sacred units => emphasize might even more.
The Templars are the high point of Iron Faith, so they should be exploited to the max with berserk or flaming weapons or reinvigoration or whatever-have-you.

[licker]

Originally posted by Pocus:
sure, and I think the MP frequency of these themes will be a good indicator on how they are balanced (or not). Because MP is a very competitive environment, where people make tests before playing.

I was a bit cooled down on theme, after having tried Blood of Human Desert Tombs, and then Serpent Cult. Serpent Cult is not that bad, but compared to regular Pythium dont stand in power. If themes are only there for SP, because they are underpowered, then it would be a pity.

I have faith that the themes will get better balanced once the full game is out, and more people have a chance to fully explore them

Besides why not have a PBEM where each nation has to take a theme? A non-standard nation matchup or whatever you want to call it. Not every MP game has to be an open format

Anyway, there's always idiots like me who prefer to use the themes for 'personal' reasons, even if it would appear to be a disadvantage