So far what nations look strong... and weak?

ywl · #1 November 20th, 2003, 12:36 AM

BTW, does anybody know how you can summon the "Demon of the Heavenly River" with Tien-Chi? The monster is there but I cannot get any mage to cast it.

johan osterman · #2 November 20th, 2003, 01:36 AM

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Originally posted by ywl:
BTW, does anybody know how you can summon the "Demon of the Heavenly River" with Tien-Chi? The monster is there but I cannot get any mage to cast it.

A celestial master should be able to cast it. Some of the national summons for Tien Chi requires that random skill turn out a certain way.

[ November 19, 2003, 23:45: Message edited by: johan osterman ]

ywl · #3 November 20th, 2003, 01:55 AM

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Originally posted by johan osterman:

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Originally posted by ywl:
BTW, does anybody know how you can summon the "Demon of the Heavenly River" with Tien-Chi? The monster is there but I cannot get any mage to cast it.

A celestial master should be able to cast it. Some of the national summons for Tien Chi requires that random skill turn out a certain way.

I used an rainbow mage pretender with level 2 in everything, excpet 4 in astral. Even she can't cast it. Do you have to be a Celestial Master to cast the spell?

apoger · #4 November 20th, 2003, 02:23 AM

Looks like the Tien Chi main theme can summon astral and earth, while the Spring & Autum theme summons fire, water, and death.

johan osterman · #5 November 20th, 2003, 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by ywl:
I used an rainbow mage pretender with level 2 in everything, excpet 4 in astral. Even she can't cast it. Do you have to be a Celestial Master to cast the spell?

My guess is that you are playing the standard theme. Demons of Heavenly rivers is not available to the standard theme. Casting it only requires astral and water 1.

[ November 20, 2003, 00:30: Message edited by: johan osterman ]

Keir Maxwell · #6 November 20th, 2003, 05:01 AM

All these Tien Chi tidbits are killing me with curiosity. The heavy cavalry sound exciting - what is their Prot? If you put them on hold and attack do they shoot while holding?

Help appreciated,

Keir

Chris Byler · #7 November 20th, 2003, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by johan osterman:

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Originally posted by ywl:
I used an rainbow mage pretender with level 2 in everything, excpet 4 in astral. Even she can't cast it. Do you have to be a Celestial Master to cast the spell?

My guess is that you are playing the standard theme. Demons of Heavenly rivers is not available to the standard theme. Casting it only requires astral and water 1.

It's kind of annoying that the "National Spells" section of the spell manual only includes national battlefield spells, and not national ritual spells (Desert Tombs, Ashen Empire, Soul Gates, and apparently several different themes of T'ien Ch'i - maybe Carrion Woods too?).

Anyway, I was able to cast Demon of Heavenly Rivers with my pretender (Jade Emperor - water 4 astral 6, although with what I know now I'd probably go for a rainbow mage next time; T'ien Ch'i needs access to a variety of booster items) in Spring and Autumn.

The Spring and Autumn Celestial Master is amazing - 7 magic levels, level 4 priest and flying for 250 - 2/3 the cost of an archtheurg. The only real weakness is the 1 astral making him a magic duel target against the astral big boys (Pythium, Arco, R'lyeh). And the low path requirements for the celestial summons go great with the CM's broad based magic. (I recommend a pretender that can forge Staff of Elemental Mastery and/or Rings of Sorcery and Wizardry - both CMs and Masters of the Five Elements gain a lot from multi-boosters.)

Oh, and the Gate of Spring and Autumn produces 6 gems a turn. Why should Pythium have all the fun?

Spring and Autumn doesn't have any cheap communion slaves though.

One more oddity with Spring and Autumn: their province defense is still led by Eunuchs, even though they aren't a normally recruitable commander. (I don't know if this sort of thing happens with other special themes too.)