Why doesn't Arco have Phalangites (Pikemen) ?

[Pocus]

there is a length 6 pike in Ulm BF, if its of interest to you

[Kristoffer O]

The lancers and cavalry of the greek era did not use stirrups used by knights and HC of later times. The lance was released upon impact as the rider prefered to stay mounted.

Therefore the arcoscephalean cav do not have lances but spears. On the other hand they might deserve elite medium cavalry such as the Agema.

[Jasper]

True about the stirrups, although that was because nobody had thought of them. Once exposed to stirrups it's not unthinkable that elite units such as Companions might also adopt their use. I always found it strange that indepdent Heavy Cavalry was better than what seemed intended to parallel Alexander's Companions -- arguably the most powerfull military unit of it's day.

Then again, Arcoscephale already has good troops, and doesn't exactly need the boost. It may be better if they have no cavalry (or equivalently, cavalry so bad nobody uses it).

[PDF]

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
The lancers and cavalry of the greek era did not use stirrups used by knights and HC of later times. The lance was released upon impact as the rider prefered to stay mounted.

Therefore the arcoscephalean cav do not have lances but spears. On the other hand they might deserve elite medium cavalry such as the Agema.

Yep, I know..
I'm testing my Phalangites - and am amazed at how modding Dom2 is a breeze ! .
But I gave them a Long Spear, you convinced me of that choice K.O... So Hoplites are to get "downgraded" to vanilla Spears - and I'm sure that this will make hordes of players yell and wish my death !

As for cavalry I'd make 2 things :
* Give better armor to the spear-armed (no bow) Lt Cav, pretty useless now, as a kind of Medium cavalry.
* And create a new Agema Hvy Cav, marginally better equipped than the standard Arco HC *but* with a much better morale.
BTW, how to mod it to be capitol-only ?

In the end Arco Cav still won't be that good, but at least usable ...

Feedback *and* cool tga's for my Agema appreciated

[Kristoffer O]

Originally posted by PDF:
Yep, I know..
I'm testing my Phalangites - and am amazed at how modding Dom2 is a breeze ! .
But I gave them a Long Spear, you convinced me of that choice K.O... So Hoplites are to get "downgraded" to vanilla Spears - and I'm sure that this will make hordes of players yell and wish my death !

As for cavalry I'd make 2 things :
* Give better armor to the spear-armed (no bow) Lt Cav, pretty useless now, as a kind of Medium cavalry.
* And create a new Agema Hvy Cav, marginally better equipped than the standard Arco HC *but* with a much better morale.
BTW, how to mod it to be capitol-only ?

In the end Arco Cav still won't be that good, but at least usable ...

Feedback *and* cool tga's for my Agema appreciated

Good! I don't mind shorter spears on the hoplites, as it makes the long missing phalangites more interesting. Hoplites are less fun than sarissa-wielding phalangites.

Capitol only is currently site dependent. Pity.

Aha! I got an idea. You could use an existing site that allows you to recruit a rare unit. I would recomend 'Horses Vale'. It is unique, allows for recruitment of 'horse brother' #450 and 'horse brother' #451 (commander). Change the horse brothers into Agema and Agema commander/champion. Add the Horses Vale to the sites of the nation and voila!

[ January 18, 2004, 21:45: Message edited by: Kristoffer O ]

[PDF]

K.O,
Very neat idea about Horse Vale ! Will do that.
I'm just waiting for the tgas to finish my mod and send it...

But now I think I'll have too many Arco units, how to delete some ? (Cardaces suck, nobody build them )

[Kristoffer O]

Originally posted by PDF:
K.O,
Very neat idea about Horse Vale ! Will do that.
I'm just waiting for the tgas to finish my mod and send it...

But now I think I'll have too many Arco units, how to delete some ? (Cardaces suck, nobody build them )

Tgas on their way. Cardaces did suck historically as well, I believe.

Units from the Horses Vale does not affect the other ones I believe. There is a #clearrec command, but it clears all units, so you will have to reenter them.