Juggernauts - how to kill them?

[Gateway103]

Info on Trampling.

You can avoid being trampled only if you are of same or bigger size than the trampler. To view the size of the unit numberically, right click on unit, and right click on its hp. It'll list, among different things, the size of said unit.

I think the Juggernauts are size 6, so you need size 6 creatures to prevent the trampling effect. Of the fire summons though, only the Kings, and I think fire elementals, are size 6. Of Blood summon, the demon lords, and some cross-breeding units are size 6. So your options are somewhat limited.

As for fliers, flying do not offer any protection against trampling I believe. As long as they are of smaller size than the trampler, they will get trampled. Etheral helps, however, in that ehteral creatures are more likely to avoid the trampling damage.

Back to the Juggernauts, they are listed as magical beings, so any spells (Opposition?) or items (Moon Blade maybe?) targeting specifically magical beings may be of interest here too.

Hope this helps,

-Gateway103

Juggernauts are easy to kill especially if you have access to Astral. Try using Paralyze and in conjunction to that any single target damaging spell (even Star Fires). Since the targeting is to fire on the largest first with single target spells, if you have 100 Range, 100 Prec spells it will hammer into the Jugg's first.

[Firebreath]

Just to add to what someone started: spirits (the cheap death 1 summons) are omnipotent against large crusher units. They come excessively cheaply, in large quantities, and are virtually immune to trample damage (being ethereal, and maybe for some other reason too). Of course, you need at least 1 death 1 mage to build them.

They'll probably never kill a jugernaught, but they will keep them occupied for a very, very long time - during which your mages can probably do the lethal damage - with something like incinerate as suggested.

[Yossar]

Seen it suggested here twice, but wouldn't lifeless juggernauts be immune to paralyze?

[Nagot Gick Fel]

If your pretender is a size-6 demigod your best (and probably cheapes) recourse is to send him against these Jugs with ad hoc gear. A couple armor-piercing or negating weapons like Duskdaggers, or magic-killing weapons like Elf Banes should make short work of them. With decent defense it's unlikely the Jugs will even hit him. Just watch out for fatigue, since you can't get any back from lifeless constructs. Heavy armor and shield would be a bad idea here, but a Rainbow Armor and Boots of the Messenger will help nicely. Note that with your Forge of the Ancients (if it's still active) any mage can forge the equipment I listed.

[LintMan]

From what I understand, trample damage is based on the size differential between the trampler and trample-ee. So a size 3 trampler (minotaur?) is a lot less fearsome than a size-6 one.

If that's the case, it might also be feasible to use some of the large/cheap summons like fire drakes to take it on. I think they're size 5, so they might hold up better against the juggernaught, and the ice/fire ones can do elemental damage.

Another possiblility: summon some behemoths. It's not too hard to get a death-2 mage and +1 death item to get the to the death-3 level needed for behemoths.

Another idea: If you have the research level for it, I think golems are size 5, have 2S magic and you can buff/equip them up to (near?) SC level power (try astral shield/astral weapon/luck/boots of quickness/some high-prot (or ethereal) armor & shield/sword of swiftness).

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by LintMan:
From what I understand, trample damage is based on the size differential between the trampler and trample-ee. So a size 3 trampler (minotaur?) is a lot less fearsome than a size-6 one.

Size difference determines how many action points a trample attempt costs. Damage is determined by size alone.