Worst Summon ??

Kel · #1 May 18th, 2004, 05:44 AM

Much like, in other threads, where invicible != unbalanced...

Worst summon != Useless.

- Kel

tinkthank · #2 May 18th, 2004, 11:22 AM

I agree with Gandalf here too, which is why I was loathe to post in this thread.
Maybe we can interpret "worst" as "most costly" or something...?
But I just had to post because someone just mentioned Draconians as a poor summon; but mixed in with a bog beast or two and/or other nice poison immune troops, and you have a seriously powerful troop. A bit of cannon fodder, 2 bog beasts, and some dracononians led by a dracochief is my idea of an excellent bang for your buck. Draconian chiefs can summon more draconians if he has nothing else to do, which I just love. They are perfect hit-and-run summons and can wreak havoc behind enemy lines. If you play Caelum, for instance, draconians tend to appear less interesting, but there you go.

calmon · #3 May 18th, 2004, 11:38 AM

Air Magic (like Fire) isn't a summon-path so Draconians are good enough. The queens are unique and the draconians are the best alternative. At least if you want to invest airgems for summonings.

[ May 18, 2004, 10:40: Message edited by: calmon ]

Teraswaerto · #4 May 18th, 2004, 02:04 PM

I used Hama Dryads once to defend against Ulm, who was trying to storm my castle. Awe works well on low morale Ulmish troops, steal strenght negates armor, and eventually the Ulmish army routed. Of course, if Ulm had had archers the Dryads would've been toast.

PrinzMegaherz · #5 May 18th, 2004, 02:14 PM

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ALL VINE OGRE army... that wouldn't be so hot. However, combined as something ELSE the enemy must deal with, along with whatever else you have, vine ogres can make a big difference, especially because they don't use food, are fairly fast, and you get a lot of toughness for every spare ordinary leadership point you have.

I don't think vine ogres are bad. My Last game as Man used lots of them (30 Ogres + 70 Longbows for most armies), but again, summoning 3 of them is a very slow process... I like troll kings court. even though it might be too expensive, it is fast.

Vynd · #6 May 18th, 2004, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Kel:
Much like, in other threads, where invicible != unbalanced...

Worst summon != Useless.

- Kel

Yes, I concur! Best of/Worst of lists are a time honored American pastime! There's no reason I can see why people shouldn't voice their opinions about which summons are the worst. Gandalf may be right that no summon is useless, but some are definitely better than others. And if someone thinks that Ice Devils are a terrible summon because he's never figured out how to use them properly, then let him voice his opinion and benefit from the collective wisdom of forum.

Gandalf Parker · #7 May 18th, 2004, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Vynd:

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Originally posted by Kel:
Much like, in other threads, where invicible != unbalanced...

Worst summon != Useless.

- Kel

Yes, I concur! Best of/Worst of lists are a time honored American pastime! There's no reason I can see why people shouldn't voice their opinions about which summons are the worst.

The symbol = means equal. The symbol != is programmer-speak for not-equal.

My real problem with the conversation is that there is never a "best" or a "worst". In any conversation on any subject. Especially in something that allows this much diference of opinion.

Maybe if it was "worst for combat" or "worst for Ermor" or "worst for cost" then it would be a debate. But a flat "worst" or "best" is going to be wrong (for someone, and right for others)

[ May 18, 2004, 17:41: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]