Worst Summon ??

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
That seems to be the case with most fire magic summons: They're dullards, very much like their water magic counterparts. The difference is, fire gems are useful: You turn them into gold.

Fire Kings are very nice sommons though. Summer Lions at their peak monthes are pretty good as well, although quite expensive. Still they are the best of 4 seasonal spirits IMO.

The trick is to employ them in mass and in the right place in the right time. I've had several important battles where the concentrated flank charge with lead by 15-20 summer lions sealed the fate of large and crytical struggles. And unlike other and better bung-for-the-buck summons you can get Summer Lions very early.

In general fire magic is certanly not the most valuable of magic types, but it has its usses. Flambeus are terrific weapon against popular SC types such as banelords, wratihlords and even unfamous VQs. And if you have extra fire gems to burn > you can always forge cheap ligthless latterns, than can give a very signigicant boost for your reseachers. Also when you have life and death emmergincy you can indeed turn your firegems into gold at best rate. Especially so if you got alchemic in the random event or can recruit one as indep. mage.

[NTJedi]

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Fire Kings are very nice sommons though. Summer Lions at their peak monthes are pretty good as well, although quite expensive. Still they are the best of 4 seasonal spirits IMO.

Summer Lions with the nature spell protection or mass protection brings their protection from 0 to 10 !

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Fire Kings are very nice sommons though. Summer Lions at their peak monthes are pretty good as well, although quite expensive. Still they are the best of 4 seasonal spirits IMO.

Hrm. Summer Lions are trash. Expensive Trash at that. I'd have to say personally the best seasonal spirit are Spring Hawks, and will continue to be so. Though the good thing about Air is there are so many good uses for gems it's not an 'always' thing to spend your gems on any one thing. Sometimes Wrathing is more benefitial, sometimes Hawks are, and most of the time items are your best bet.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by NTJedi:
Summer Lions with the nature spell protection or mass protection brings their protection from 0 to 10 !

And makes them light themselves on fire. That's probably not a good idea.

[NTJedi]

I figured they would be immune to fire even tho barkskin gives -25%.

[Vynd]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:

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Originally posted by NTJedi:
Summer Lions with the nature spell protection or mass protection brings their protection from 0 to 10 !

And makes them light themselves on fire. That's probably not a good idea.

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Would that really happen? How amusing! Almost makes me wish you could cast Protection on the enemy.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Fire Kings are very nice sommons though. Summer Lions at their peak monthes are pretty good as well, although quite expensive. Still they are the best of 4 seasonal spirits IMO.

The Fire Kings aren't bad, but they suffer from a dreadful lack of mobility: No innate flight, no feet to give them flight with, no paths conducive to teleportation. Overall I feel that they're not as effective as the Air Queens in combat power. The fire shield they have is nice, but isn't something they couldn't have cast anyway, so you're not saving much there. The King of Banefires is somewhat better, as he gets an unresistable banefire shield which can be stacked with a regular fire shield, that partly compensates for his reduced mobility compared to Air Queens.

Still, there's only 2 Fire Kings: The King of Banefires is a death summons and has no bearing on the use of Fire Gems.

I have to concur with Zen about the Summer Lions: They are trash: Expensive, die easily, and lack the raw punishing strength of other, cheaper summons. The Spring Hawks are a far superior summons: They're physically weaker, but they fly and have a lightning attack(which I believe will stun). As fliers, they are far more useful both tactically and strategically than Summer Lions, which offer nothing except not-all-that-formidable meatshields, which you can get anywhere.