standard pangenea : usefulness of maenards ? or rely on blood ?

[Gandalf Parker]

They are leaderless but they do have a high moral. I seem to have a percentage chance of getting the province. In any case I at least know its safe to attack with the pan on the next round if need be. I think one of the "spread-sheet/rules" players said it had something to do with attacker vs defender. What I seem to see is that it seems to boil down to whoever actually leaves the field first loses. When both rout it seems to be a race.

I dont like turmoil with Pangaea. The money is a big need, and I really need to use every independent troop I can make. So Id rather have Order for gold and less need to leave patrols behind in the provinces I make them in. Most of my uses of Maenads dont call for big numbers, or happen outside of my dominion anyway.

I also play alot of stealth so I tend to take low dominion, and lots of painful negatives, so my scales probably wouldnt work well for you.

With Carrion I take turmoil.

[Boron]

gandalf do you try to bloodhunt with pangenea too or do you try to strengthen them later on by conjurations like lamia queens and so on ?

i myself tried to rush first to crossbreeding and make an impressive force with this because 20 units for 15 blood slaves is nice .

but setting up a blood economy is much more difficult with pangenea than with abysia or marignon df . i even tried a FoB pretender + high economy scales and patrolled with harpies .
with growth your population still growth and you don't lose taxes but annoyingly the fob gets in average only 10 blood slaves / turn.
with a normal blood hunter like a demonbred i get about 6-8 in average so almost the same return.

a small drawback from the cross breed spell is that if you are unlucky you only get 20 foul spawns and most of them cost even 0.67 upkeep so almost the same as a revelrer but are worse fighters . it's a big gambling .

guess i try a blood hunting jotunheim next since the gygias have n1 bl1 so i can use crossbreeds + frost fiends .

may i ask what pretenders you normally choose with pangenea gandalf ?

[Nappa]

I've been very succesful with +3 turmiol and luck. I use a rainbow pheonix and build a powerful gem economy.

Rely on summoned casters which you have access to many. You need to find a good research indy though.

I use pans in strategic places with centaurs ferrying maenads to the front line. My #1 research priority is mass protection.

Tons of maenads with barkskin followd by Vine ogres also with barkskin and it's silly how fast you can expand.

I'm typically building other gem based armies during this time.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Boron:
a small drawback from the cross breed spell is that if you are unlucky you only get 20 foul spawns and most of them cost even 0.67 upkeep so almost the same as a revelrer but are worse fighters .

That's 0.067 upkeep for most of them I believe, not 0.67.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Nappa:
I've been very succesful with +3 turmiol and luck. I use a rainbow pheonix and build a powerful gem economy.

A rainbow *PHOENIX*? With 80 point paths? Either your definition of "rainbow" differs, or your scales really bite. How do you afford this?

[Nappa]

4f/3a/4w/4s

6 dominion
3turmoil/1heat/3luck

you get death line from lamia queen, earth, nature and blood from pans.

I'm forgetting which fort but I believe it's the 40 point one.

[ July 06, 2004, 00:51: Message edited by: Nappa ]

[Gandalf Parker]

Sometimes I will push blood. There is another tactic I dearly love. A Pandemoniac Assassin using the Hellbind Heart spell. Bind/Bind/attack. Vry often the bind will work and the commander is now yours. Right after the assassin message is a combat message where the new convert attacks everyone in the province. If he is the Last commander you get to watch what WAS his army rout from him.

Im more of a role player than a strategy-to-win. And I mostly play solo rather than multiplayer. So I like using Lord of the Hunt (consider this: a godly assassin who throws maenads). I also like Manticore if Im going for scales. He is handy for quick deliveries of equip, gems, harpies. And he works well with my hopscotch way of conquering provinces when I play Pangaea. Carrion Dragon has alot going for it also even if you arent playing Carrion theme. +10 fear, good hit points, and the alternate form has alot going for it. Even better with Carrion theme since if you magic it correctly you can prduce carrion commanders without having to purchase a Pandemoniac