I Was Ripped OFF!

[Arryn]

Norfleet, repeating your (flawed) analogy in two consecutive Posts won't make us believe it more. As for the Dom 2 demo's L4 magic limit's effects, when you bear in mind that the demo only has two small maps and a 40 turn limit, it's not that big a deal. Besides, you've missed the whole point of what Boron and Gandalf have said, which is (more or less) that the demo is meant to give you a taste of the game. It's not intended to be a meal. Sort of like the food samples you get in supermarkets. A nibble so that you can decide if you like the item, but only enough to whet your appetite/desire. If you like what you taste, you buy the product. If not, you spit it out and go on your way without having spent any money. I have bought many games (including Dom 2) after playing their demos, that I would not have bought without having tried the demo. And many games have I bought without a demo much to my regret. Demos are a GOOD thing. You're just grouching for the sheer fun of being ornery. Who're you trying to fool?

[Boron]

Originally posted by Arryn:
Norfleet, repeating your (flawed) analogy in two consecutive Posts won't make us believe it more. As for the Dom 2 demo's L4 magic limit's effects, when you bear in mind that the demo only has two small maps and a 40 turn limit, it's not that big a deal. Besides, you've missed the whole point of what Boron and Gandalf have said, which is (more or less) that the demo is meant to give you a taste of the game. It's not intended to be a meal. Sort of like the food samples you get in supermarkets. A nibble so that you can decide if you like the item, but only enough to whet your appetite/desire. If you like what you taste, you buy the product. If not, you spit it out and go on your way without having spent any money. I have bought many games (including Dom 2) after playing their demos, that I would not have bought without having tried the demo. And many games have I bought without a demo much to my regret. Demos are a GOOD thing. You're just grouching for the sheer fun of being ornery. Who're you trying to fool?

i think the 40 turn limit of the demo was evil .
spells limited to lvl 4 + only 7 playable races was limitation enough imho.

i was really angry about the 40 turn limit .
i had to wait 1 week until i finally got dominions 2 after i tried the demo and ordered dominions 2 .
so i had to wait a full week for dominions 2 knowing that the demo is only until turn 40 .

that was almost like hell

the dominions 1 demo was much better for that
in my pain i played that the 1 week until dominions 2 arrived .

[ August 02, 2004, 22:44: Message edited by: Boron ]

[NTJedi]

What's FUNNY...

the title of the topic is about being Ripped Off yet the author never bought anything. LOL

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Arryn:
As for the Dom 2 demo's L4 magic limit's effects, when you bear in mind that the demo only has two small maps and a 40 turn limit

I'm not arguing about the 40 turn limit, but you'll run smack into an L4 limit in all of 7 turns. When it takes you that long to hit a wall, it's not a very convincing example of the game. This is like trying to start your demo car, only to notice that, well, there aren't any wheels.

Sort of like the food samples you get in supermarkets. A nibble so that you can decide if you like the item, but only enough to whet your appetite/desire.

Food samples happen to be a sample of the actual product. A sample of a pizza, for instance, consists of an actual chunk of the pizza. It doesn't consist of being permitted to nibble only upon a meatball.

I have bought many games (including Dom 2) after playing their demos, that I would not have bought without having tried the demo. And many games have I bought without a demo much to my regret. Demos are a GOOD thing.

And how many times have you decided to buy a game, only to realize that everything was more or less already in the demo, and the actual product had no meat to it? Demos are not necessarily a good thing: The time the developers spent on crippling the demo could have been spent more productively.

[johan osterman]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
And how many times have you decided to buy a game, only to realize that everything was more or less already in the demo, and the actual product had no meat to it? Demos are not necessarily a good thing: The time the developers spent on crippling the demo could have been spent more productively.

Crippling the demo wasn't a mammoth task, and it is not a given that JK would have spent that time in any way you would have considered productive. The most likely effect would have been a slightly earlier release date, or JK watching more TV, it is not like there was a budget that could run out or anything.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
The time the developers spent on crippling the demo could have been spent more productively.

From the point of view of players who already own the game, yes. From the point of view of those who aren't already fans, not so. And then there's the point of view of the publishers, who need to maximize sales. A demo is a really good marketing tool, and thus a worthwhile investment of resources.

[Boron]

Originally posted by Arryn:

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Originally posted by Norfleet:
The time the developers spent on crippling the demo could have been spent more productively.

From the point of view of players who already own the game, yes. From the point of view of those who aren't already fans, not so. And then there's the point of view of the publishers, who need to maximize sales. A demo is a really good marketing tool, and thus a worthwhile investment of resources.

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yeah there the approach in dominions 1 demo was better .
it was like a demo should be

the dominions 2 demo there the turn limit is evil it doesn't let you win hehe .
was a bit too much restriction and even a bit counterproductive i think .

so for dominions 3 a mix is best i think :
only like in dominion 2 demo some playable races but they may recruit everything .
but a cap at research .
no turn limit .

so you see about 1/3 - 1/4 of the game and can really evaluate how cool it is .

in the dominions 2 demo unfortunately you couldn't evaluate much because the 40 turn limit there was frustrating . almost impossible to win in 40 turns on karan or desert eye .

this may even lead to defiance in some cases , e.g.:
the game seems really good but because the designers don't let me finish the demo i don't feed them with my money .

i think without 40 turn limit demo dominions 2 would have probably even sold better