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View Poll Results: Which of the following would you prefer?
Sheap's suggestion: a bravery option for commanders, to rout if their troops rout, or not 13 20.63%
Panther's suggestion: all commanders must make a morale check whenever an army routs or dies, but they carry on fighting if they succeed 16 25.40%
No change to the present system 34 53.97%
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Old August 28th, 2004, 02:33 AM
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Default Re: Poll: morale and routing

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hmmm... if you lose the battle, dont you think you deserve to lose half your mages?
No.


Any military commander who's not brain-dead knows when a battle is lost and when to retreat to save his forces for another day. Only a fool or a madman (not that there's a difference) wastes valuable lives.
ive heard people say many times on this forum that they dont go into battle unless they can win
Most people don't go into a battle planning on losing. But even if they "don't go into battle unless they can win", it doesn't mean they're 100% sure they'll win. Historically, commanders can and do gamble - balancing the loss of 100 men (or 1000) against the benefit gained if they do win.

They also go into battle because, while they're not sure they'll win, they know that the other possible battlefields and situations will be worse.

And they go into battle figuring that while they may lose, they'll inflict greater casualties on the enemy - this is especially true both of military defenses and ambushes.

An example of this in Dom2 is sending 4 or 5 spellcasters with a screening troop of 10 or 20 militia or archers in front of them. Going against, say, knights, they can expect to lose - the knights are going to tear up those screening troops, but are going to sustain heavy casualties from the mages.

This is _planned_ for by the force with the mages and militia.

And you think that they _deserve_ to lose half the mages, who are sitting all the way in the rear of the battlefield???

Nice to know the kind of superior military intellects who are in favor of demolishing, I mean, improving, the current morale system.
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Old August 28th, 2004, 08:49 AM
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Default Re: Poll: morale and routing

OK, a few Last points.
  • I never wanted to nerf immortality. I just mentioned a few easy ways to do so, if it proved to be a problem. From the above, it seems to be vampires that are the problem, if any. That can be solved in a mod, and is therefore irrelevant to the current discussion.
  • The arguments that "it would be a matter of just killing the chaff" etc. is just lame, for obvious reasons. Just use quality soldiers.
  • Most importantly, the entire reason I proposed this was to illustrate that the proposal wasn't about fixing a flaw, but was about making SC even more powerful. I think sheap, Arryn and others have illustrated this point nicely by now. I find it extremely funny that after proposing a SC-boost, these people turn around and deride "my change" as a whine-de-jour. Just like Norfleet did, really
  • To bend this point in neon: I proposed this change without any hope that this would happen, but solely to prevent SC to become even stronger by proposing another fix that would stop the "The Moloch is treated so unfairly". That was all.
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