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				Zero Ship Support, how to do?
	
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		Howdy, 
 
The idea of not having to pay upkeep for my ships is very attractive.  The problem is that I can not figure out how to get the figure to zero. 
 
I took the 25% maintenance bonus, then jacked up the maintenance trait up to 150%, but I still pay, at least a bit.  Can someone fill me in on the little detail I am missing? 
 
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		don't you have to get te maintenance trait  down to 25% ?    
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		 quote: Originally posted by Saxon: 
Howdy, 
 
The idea of not having to pay upkeep for my ships is very attractive.  The problem is that I can not figure out how to get the figure to zero. 
 
I took the 25% maintenance bonus, then jacked up the maintenance trait up to 150%, but I still pay, at least a bit.  Can someone fill me in on the little detail I am missing? 
 
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I think you need the Engineers setting at game setup....  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		The most you can reduce your maintenance characteristic in an unmodded game is by 20%, down to 5% maintenance. The Last 5% must be done by choosing the Engineer culture, as pointed out. 
You reduce maintenance by increasing your maintenance toward 120%. Weird huh go up to go down! 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		So the term “zero maintenance” is a misleading one in the regular game?  That is good to know, I was feeling pretty stupid, but I only missed the engineer part.  I generally choose artisans, as you can then take 10 points off happiness and end up neutral.  Everyone else seems to get fewer points, but I have to review that, as different attributes cost different amounts to raise. 
 
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		And, if you're in a PBEM, be prepared for war as soon as the other players notice that you've created a monster.  ;-)  They probably don't want to face wave after wave of fleets... even low-tech tiny ships can be threats if there are hundreds of 'em. 
 
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		It's the merchants culture with 5%, engineers just have 2% *sigh* . I sometimes mod the cultures if I don't trade (e.g. with bloodthirsties) 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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