I suck with Pythium ... please help!

[Arryn]

Lex is essentially repeating what Gandalf said a while back. Unfortunately, no one seems to have been listening to Gandalf. Which is a shame, since Gandalf knows what he's talking about. Certainly more so than those whose minds are closed to viewpoints other than that of singleminded simplicity and pet peevishness.

[Huzurdaddi]

its funny, i'm playing Caelum in two games right now, and at every point I'm thinking of ways to counter what I'm doing in the games. Caelum+FalseHorror is in fact balanced with the rest of the game (which is why its still around). But its been balanced in a rock/paper/scissors way, which is why everyone's arguments are true. Caelum is overpowered against ALOT of things, but its defeated by enough things to make it a healthy part of Dom2.

Giggle. Whatever. Perhaps next game I'll get Caelum. I'm sure I will argue ( disingenuously ) that it is balanced at that time as well.

[Cainehill]

What I want to know is what Hen and compadres propose to give Caelum as compensation if False Horror is nerfed (as opposed to the bug where priests don't cast sermon of courage with them).

After all - I see Caelum in at least half the games I play. It isn't the winner most of the time, and yet they want to nerf one of the few things Caelum does have going for it.

After all - Caelum possibly has the worst PD in the game, because it flies right up, fights one turn, and flies away. Even Mictlan or Man's PD at least slows down invaders long enough for mages to cast spells.

Its troops are generally either incredibly flimsy, or extremely resource intensive, slow, and non-flying. National magic isn't particularly flexible, albeit it certainly isn't bad. Oh, and all its troops (except Wingless) eat a boatload of supplies, meaning that any army of decent size is often starving.

So - take away False Horror, thus hurting Caelum, which is already _easily_ countered by certain nations / themes. What does Caelum get to make up for it?

Then again, one of the main whiners about False Horror (and Caelum) also keeps insisting that Abysia is underpowered. *snigger*

[incognito]

At this time, I'd like to firmly declare myself in the camp of singleminded simplicity and pet peevishness. We're a focused bunch with very particular dislikes.

Thank you. That is all.

[Huzurdaddi]

What I want to know is what Hen and compadres propose to give Caelum as compensation if False Horror is nerfed (as opposed to the bug where priests don't cast sermon of courage with them).

How about we give them national armies that can skip provinces and strike rear areas? No that would be insane. Just imagine the carnage that could cause!

No, no wait I got it. How about we make their best mage recruitable not only in the capital but anywhere they have a castle? No that would be crazy.

No, no, wait. How about making their top mage have one 3 level path one 2 level path a random and yet cost only 180? No, that's crazy. No no, wait let's make it fly as well!

Caelum is excellent even if they did not have false horrors. Just not quite so "dear god Caelum again" excellent.

[Cainehill]

Huzurdaddi said:

How about we give them national armies that can skip provinces and strike rear areas? No that would be insane. Just imagine the carnage that could cause!

No, no wait I got it. How about we make their best mage recruitable not only in the capital but anywhere they have a castle? No that would be crazy.

No, no, wait. How about making their top mage have one 3 level path one 2 level path a random and yet cost only 180? No, that's crazy. No no, wait let's make it fly as well!

Caelum is excellent even if they did not have false horrors. Just not quite so "dear god Caelum again" excellent.

*yawn* If they were so excellent, why don't they win more games? They have one strength really: mages. The armies being able to skip provinces and attack rear areas wouldn't do a thing for them without the mages, because the flying troops are either very weak, or very very expensive resource-wise, and they tend to _starve_ when not close to home.

In my opinion, the only reason Caelum gets Banned is because people get frustrated playing against them. Hell - I do too, sometimes. Ditto for 'mad castling': "It isn't fun to play against!" My heart bleeds for these people, really it does. Oops, never mind - that's just some wine I spilled on my shirt.

[Soapyfrog]

Cainehill said:
Oops, never mind - that's just some wine I spilled on my shirt.

Well that explains it... you are clearly drunk!

[Cainehill]

Soapyfrog said:

Well that explains it... you are clearly drunk!

In vino, veritas.

[Kel]

I am *not* arguing for or against false horror, or Caelum or anything along those lines...but Caelum has more going for it than False horror.

They still have good raiders, mobility and good mages. Probably other things, too, that I am not experienced enough to be aware of...but Caelums success does not hinge solely on False Horror, imo.

- Kel

[Boron]

Arryn said:
Lex is essentially repeating what Gandalf said a while back. Unfortunately, no one seems to have been listening to Gandalf. Which is a shame, since Gandalf knows what he's talking about. Certainly more so than those whose minds are closed to viewpoints other than that of singleminded simplicity and pet peevishness.

Well Stormbinder / Truper and a lot of other very experienced players say too that false horrors are at least a bit overpowered while you and Caine seem to be the only ones still claiming it is okay .