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November 16th, 2004, 04:47 PM
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Re: Bug-like Battle AI behavior
a 'potency' (threat in this case) parameter have not to just take into account what is the current status of the unit (routing, or being a badass Niefel berseked), it can also use a memory of what the unit did, by counting the gold/gem value of units killed by this threat. For example, as soon as the Niefel start to kill Seraphs, his threat value would go through the roof, and he would be targetted again by the seraphs?
just my two eurocents.
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November 17th, 2004, 06:12 AM
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Re: Bug-like Battle AI behavior
I checked the battle - indeed the Niefel had a Ring of Tamed Lightning, that I didn't notice at first, so that he was not targetted by Bolts makes sense...
Apologies to have implied the AI was so stupid has to not cast Bolts at him out of sheer stupidity  .
Well, it's not clear why the ghosts wolves/ph warriors didn't go at him - maybe even they did try to but he was flying, making it difficult to reach. Overall my army was mainly powerless against him, the only sensible action of the seraphs should have been to leave  .
No real "bug" indeed...
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November 17th, 2004, 06:51 PM
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Re: Bug-like Battle AI behavior
I believe that your own army will never rout if the enemy has already completely routed. This happens regardless of how hopeless it may be against a berserked SC that stayed to fight after his side previously declared that the battle was 'over' by retreating. Your Seraphs will then all fight to the death because the AI had previously decided you had the battle won and were in the mop-up phase, regardless of the actual truth of the situation. I also believe that this never changes until the 50 turn limit is reached, even if your own army starts dying like crazy and ought to then rout on its own.
This seems to be yet another indication that the AI is not programmed to handle SCs at all.
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November 17th, 2004, 07:18 PM
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Re: Bug-like Battle AI behavior
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The Panther said:
I believe that your own army will never rout if the enemy has already completely routed. This happens regardless of how hopeless it may be against a berserked SC that stayed to fight after his side previously declared that the battle was 'over' by retreating.
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I agree. This is also very apparent with armies that have immortal commanders fighting in friendly dominion. Also, in the situation you described, even if all of their commanders are killed and they are left leaderless, all troops will still stay on the battlefield and be slaughtered to the Last man.
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November 17th, 2004, 08:15 PM
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Re: Bug-like Battle AI behavior
Pretty sure the armies can / will rout even after the opponent has routed, as I had someone routed and the battle won when _my_ Caelumians routed (due to spell damage or some such, I believe). So I lost the province, even though the enemy routed first, since the flyers could insta-retreat off the field.
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November 17th, 2004, 08:54 PM
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Re: Bug-like Battle AI behavior
I have seen this before also, where both armies esentially rout in the same turn, or maybe the following turn or two due to poison damage. But I have never seen an army rout several turns later after a full-out retreat by one side. Immortals and berserked units seem to always count as fully retreated in this, even though they stay to fight to the end.
Were there several turns between the enemy routing and your army routing?
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November 18th, 2004, 02:35 AM
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Re: Bug-like Battle AI behavior
Eh - it couldn't have been _many_ turns, or the other side would have managed to retreat. But there definately weren't any berserkers or immortals involved, simply routed troops that were slow enough the other side managed to turn tail as well.
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