OT: Data Smog

Baron Munchausen · #1 January 1st, 2005, 12:49 AM

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Instar said:
The new Microsoft Shell looks cool (MSH or Monad). It might speed tasks up a lot.

Holy dead cow, they invented /bin/bash! Again.

With 'special features' of their own devising, of course. Embrace and extend, though it will suck anyway. I saw a hilarious sig on Slashdot a few days ago: The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they make a vacuum cleaner.

Instar · #2 January 1st, 2005, 01:25 AM

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Baron Munchausen said:

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aiken said:

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Instar said:
The new Microsoft Shell looks cool (MSH or Monad). It might speed tasks up a lot.

Holy dead cow, they invented /bin/bash! Again.

With 'special features' of their own devising, of course. Embrace and extend, though it will suck anyway. I saw a hilarious sig on Slashdot a few days ago: The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they make a vacuum cleaner.

Well, frankly, I think you're quick to judge. Have you watched all the videos on Channel9 and the .NET show? Monad looks killer. The shell is no longer a text stream so much, it can treat the output or input as objects which can be reflected against to expose internal members; also, access to the .NET framework is exposed too, IIRC. MSH looks 10x better than anything out today (and I've used a lot of systems, Solaris, Wintel, Linux, Apple 2e

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Aiken · #3 January 1st, 2005, 12:16 PM

I've read the presentation transcript on msdn. I'm not a professional programmer or sysadmin, so my opinion probably worths a little, but it doesn't look 10x more powerful than *sh+perl+gnu utils combination for *nix. And without winfs and 100% .net enviroment it even will be no better than cmd.exe. I just learnt to be very sceptical about "groundbreaking tool with new exciting features" fluff. SE5 is one of the exceptions

Instar · #4 January 2nd, 2005, 04:32 AM

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I've read the presentation transcript on msdn. I'm not a professional programmer or sysadmin, so my opinion probably worths a little, but it doesn't look 10x more powerful than *sh+perl+gnu utils combination for *nix. And without winfs and 100% .net enviroment it even will be no better than cmd.exe. I just learnt to be very sceptical about "groundbreaking tool with new exciting features" fluff. SE5 is one of the exceptions

Well, to me, a programming and IT pro, the fact that it treats the input and output as streams of objects instead of just text is really innovative. You are right though, without the .NET framework, I can't do much with the exposed members via reflecting. .NET will ship with Longhorn as it is; and I really like the .NET framework. Really amazing how some people brush it off as if sucked, but it beats the pants off of J2SE.