Way OT: Racism

[RudyHuxtable]

Sivran said:

If forbidding racial discrimination at the voting booth is a validation, then this statement is somewhat true. I suppose you could say the mere mention of discrimination by "race, color, or previous condition of servitude" validates that yes, racism exists, but we didn't need the constitution to tell us that.

Otherwise, you're way off base.

My statement was reflecting the nature of the document prior to the Civil War and the introduction of the 13th, 14th, and 15th and, though not originally as part of my argument, 19th Amendments. I was referring to the Three-Fifths Compromise, specifically. How would you feel being considered only 3/5 human? Pretty racist legislation, wouldn't you say? How would you feel being considered only 3/5 human?

Am I still off base?

[Atrocities]

I can testify to being considered less than human and I paid the horrible price of being discriminated against. The big Red "S" (Safeway) also paid that price after four years of litigation.

It is never about money when the discrimination is real. It is about right and wrong, and brother I can tell you that Safeway was in the wrong big time.

So this is one of the overriding factors in my belief that racism is one of the ultimate forms of discrimination and should be stamped out. We are all human, every last one of us, and those to believe otherwise need a good home town, behind the woodshed, wooden bat beating to within an inch of their lives. Then tossed onto a rail road pike and rode out of town. Tard and feathered if we have time.

[RudyHuxtable]

We all need beating, but some of us need a history lesson it would seem.

The point to my entire argument is this:

If I don't like you, it's because you're a turd. Not because you wear FUBU or a burkha. Because you're an ignorant, self-centered, cowardly turd.

I don't want to hear complaining about Asian Pride Day or the Swahili Hand-holding Festival and all that jazz. Anyone ever heard of Saint Patrick's Day? It's the same thing, only with vomit and green lager. So we whites get our day--a national holiday, no less--too.

Even better for me because I'm Italian American. That means I get the Feast of San Gennaro and "The Godfather".

Hey Atrocities, I would gladly help you dish out a beating to the next turd deserving. I'll also stop buying Safeway products now that you've mentioned that.

[Atrocities]

I thank you for your kindly offer to assit in the beating of turds. It is a BYOB (Bring Your Own Bat) event that is long over do for its day on the American calander.

(I should note that I did not face racial discrimination while working for the big red S. Mine was just as personal, and just as devestating as racial discrimination, but far more humilating. I shall never forgive the SOB's responsible for it. I cannot, it is a matter of dignity that transends ones ethical beliefs far beyond his core being. No one should ever have to live with discrimination, any kind of discrimination. It simply is wrong.)

[Antarian]

I do not want to offend people.
Hi. I would like to add something to this thread. In my country (Russia) there is nothing wrong when i call a black person "Nigger". It just denotes that he is black. We do not call them Afro-Russians or something of the sort. The main idea is not to sound offensive. I may say to a person - You bookworm! And it`s ok. Or i may say - YOU BOOKWORM! And sound tooootttalllyyy different. So here - black people are blacks or niggers (does not always have to be mean or offensive). Asians are Asians (neutral) or slitty eyed (very mean). I have nothing agains over people. I am white, my girlfriend is half Indian/half Russian (unusual mixture )).
I am against only one issue. When minorities are... say... overacting... or... abusing the system. I`ve been to the States several times and i know some cases when Afro Americans simply pretended to be insulted and so on. And some innocent people had to suffer.
About slavery and stuff. Do the Americans have to pay till the last one dies out for the sins of their relatives or ancestors? Do the present generations of Germans have to pay for the WW2? I do not know the correct answer. I think that Hebrew people, blacks, and othes have to stop indulging themselves and use the system for their sole benefit.
In my country we also have different ethnic problems. Especially with people from the Caucasus.
If somebody is interested then i may outline the situation in Russia.
I repeat - I do not want to offend people.

[Gandalf Parker]

I have nothing against minorities making "a big deal" of it. They are a minority. Almost by definition that means that if they want equality (as a group) then some noise will have to be made. That goes for any minority whether its political, racial, gender, religious, lifestyle, or opinion. Of course it can be overdone or abused but that becomes an individual thing then. I have no problem with getting mad at an individual for how they go about it, doesnt change my opinion about the action in general or the group involved

[Starhawk]

Antarian said:
I do not want to offend people.
Hi. I would like to add something to this thread. In my country (Russia) there is nothing wrong when i call a black person "Nigger". It just denotes that he is black. We do not call them Afro-Russians or something of the sort. The main idea is not to sound offensive. I may say to a person - You bookworm! And it`s ok. Or i may say - YOU BOOKWORM! And sound tooootttalllyyy different. So here - black people are blacks or niggers (does not always have to be mean or offensive). Asians are Asians (neutral) or slitty eyed (very mean). I have nothing agains over people. I am white, my girlfriend is half Indian/half Russian (unusual mixture )).
I am against only one issue. When minorities are... say... overacting... or... abusing the system. I`ve been to the States several times and i know some cases when Afro Americans simply pretended to be insulted and so on. And some innocent people had to suffer.
About slavery and stuff. Do the Americans have to pay till the last one dies out for the sins of their relatives or ancestors? Do the present generations of Germans have to pay for the WW2? I do not know the correct answer. I think that Hebrew people, blacks, and othes have to stop indulging themselves and use the system for their sole benefit.
In my country we also have different ethnic problems. Especially with people from the Caucasus.
If somebody is interested then i may outline the situation in Russia.
I repeat - I do not want to offend people.

Yeah but Russia is also a very intolerant and "pro-white" country from what friends of mine (including a Russian woman) have said, they make a point of it for a matter of fact, and what you said just proves that, Nigger in every country it is used was an insult, and though you may say it's not in Russia I seriously doubt it's meant with affection. Just like if you were called Cracker you wouldn't appreciate it. Now like I said I've just heard this from friends and one Russian ex-pat but what you said sort of makes it more believable to me.

And yes I am totally against those idiots that want money because their ancestors were enslaved by some white person's ancestors, in that case I want some of them to pay reperations to England for the Zulu rebellions......especially since white people got the idea of taking blacks as slaves because African tribes sold each other to us constantly lol.

[Aris_Sung]

I think it's in human nature to be afraid or wary of things or people who are not the 'same'.(If you really want to get down to it, we're all physiological the same. We've all got a beating heart, two lungs, a digestive system, two eyes, two ears, one mouth, two arms, two hands, and I could keep on going, but you get the point.) Instinctively, we had to protect ourselves from outsiders who may come and chase us away from our food, water and shelter.
But that's not the case anymore. We don't live in stone age anymore. What really shows that we are a civilized people is that we can keep those instincts to ourselves or maybe try not to have them. Everyone is equal should be treated equally. Everyone should also remember the golden rule, which sometimes is forgotten.

And as for getting compensated for past injustices against one's people, I agree with Starhawk. If society has to keep paying back for every single inequity done to someone, that's all we'd be doing everyday. That's out of the question. Everyone is basically equal and should be treated on a common baseline. No special treatment here or there.

[TerranC]

Starhawk said:
And yes I am totally against those idiots that want money because their ancestors were enslaved by some white person's ancestors, in that case I want some of them to pay reperations to England for the Zulu rebellions......especially since white people got the idea of taking blacks as slaves because African tribes sold each other to us constantly lol.

Starhawk, although in theory I agree with you, next time, choose your words more carefully, lest you wish to call the overwhelming majority of people on this earth "Idiots".

[David E. Gervais]

BTW, remember that change takes time. And concidering that less than 50 years ago there were signs that said "No Blacks Allowed" and washrooms for "White Only" and the school system was segrigated, and a whole lot of other such nonsense were still found all over the place. You would be hard pressed to find any of these today.

I think that we are definately heading in the right direction. But like I said Change takes time, but the good news is that the 'Right' and 'Just' cause is going to win the battle.

As more and more cities and subburbs get a mixed class of people, everyone is realizing that racism is just plain stupid. But there is a side effect to this 'loss' of racism towards different colored people,.. the 'racist people having finally seen that their hate was/is wrong have felt neglected and have turned their attention towards 'other' targets that are not 'race' specific.. But I'll not bring that subject into this thread, although my position is Live and let live, To each his/her own.

Anyway, Did I say change takes time? And really, in the scheme of things, we really have made a lot of progress in short time that has passed. I'm confident that during my lifetime I will see the 'color' race issue fall by the wayside and become a thing of the past. But I'm also sure that some people will always find something to hate. And that's a sad thing.

Anyway, Nuf said, Cheers!