OT: Moron Sues Over Roof Jumping

Imperious_Leader · #1 March 8th, 2005, 04:37 AM

Ok I just can't get enough .....who needs sleep.

Imperator if your quote about McDonalds lowering their coffee'stemperature is from the same article you linked tgo then I belive that it said that this was just this one McDonalds and was still not the corperate position.

Forgive me but the temperature of their coffee and them giving rasor blades in their happy meals isn't even close to being the same thing there would be universal agreement that razor blades are dangerous there is not universal agreement that coffee should be 158 degrees or anyother number.

As for a reasonable expectation of first degree burns or scalding as aposed to third degree burns ....come on if she thought she was going to spill the coffee on her crotch she wouldn't have put it there.If she could prove that she had never had their coffee before I might be slightly swayed but what kind of warning do you need before you open it right against your crotch it already says on it caution hot or something to that effect WARNING DO NOT OPEN AGAINST YOUR CROTCH

All joking aside your actually a really good debater....you have swayed me .....well maybe just a little.Food for thought...no coffee please I'm giving it up.

Imperious_Leader · #2 March 8th, 2005, 04:42 AM

Phoenix-D I can see where your coming from....wow your all really good debaters I know when I'm licked.....if your all this good at debating I hate to see how good you all are at the game.....I'm doomed.

Imperious_Leader · #3 March 8th, 2005, 04:45 AM

Wow even my math is no good at 3:30am is there someone I can sue about that lol....well if you and Fyron agree I must then truely be wrong what was I thinking.....perhapes some sleep will help.

Fyron · #4 March 8th, 2005, 06:18 AM

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Imperious_Leader said:
Imperator if your quote about McDonalds lowering their coffee'stemperature is from the same article you linked tgo then I belive that it said that this was just this one McDonalds and was still not the corperate position.

True. Presumably the rest of them did something after the whole affair. Not to mention the copy-cat idiots intentionally spilling it on themselves to make a quick million...

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Forgive me but the temperature of their coffee and them giving rasor blades in their happy meals isn't even close to being the same thing there would be universal agreement that razor blades are dangerous there is not universal agreement that coffee should be 158 degrees or anyother number.

It was admittedly hyperbole. Let's replaces it with a toy car that has very sharp edges. When the kid picks it up to play with, it cuts his hands. Would McDonald's not be at fault for providing their customers with a needlessly dangerous toy? When I get a toy car, I don't expect it to cut me. When I buy coffee, I don't expect it to send me to the hospital as a result of a minor accident. Cause pain, yes. Maybe require some minor lotion or something, sure. Require hospitalization and extensive skin transplants, not to mention the horrible pain of *ahem* that area being horridly burnt and scarred, definitely not.

The exact temperature is not the issue. It can not possibly be known just how hot the coffee that the woman spilled was. If Slick's numbers are right, it could have been a bit hotter still... It is the fact that at 180 to 190 degrees (or hotter), the coffee was extremely dangerous. At around 160, it is still quite hot, but won't send you to the hospital over a spill.

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As for a reasonable expectation of first degree burns or scalding as aposed to third degree burns ....

Yes, spilling coffee on yourself is stupid. Spilling hot coffee on yourself is quite stupid. However, it is not unreasonable to expect to not need to be hospitalized as a result. With coffee as hot as it was, there was nothing at all she could do. The damage was done extremely rapidly. If McDonald's had acted sooner to remedy the dangerous product, which they knew full well to be dangerous, there would not have been a law suit (from this lady, at any rate). But they did not. They were negligent.

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If she could prove that she had never had their coffee before I might be slightly swayed but what kind of warning do you need before you open it right against your crotch it already says on it caution hot or something to that effect WARNING DO NOT OPEN AGAINST YOUR CROTCH

For the record, between the knees is a far cry from against your crotch... Again, it is probably not the smartest thing she could have done, but this is not what the lawsuit was about. It was about a needlessly dangerous product that the company knew to be dangerous but did nothing about.

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well if you and Fyron agree I must then truely be wrong what was I thinking.....perhapes some sleep will help.

That was just a silly joke. Pay it no heed.

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Sivran said:
The difference between 212 and 180 is also 32

I do believe that 180 - 158 = 22, not 32. So the differences are quite different.

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wow your all really good debaters I know when I'm licked...

Practice makes perfect.

Mephisto · #5 March 8th, 2005, 07:46 AM

Imperator, the only influence the temperature has is the amount of time to make a first degree burn (sunlight burn) to a second degree (red skin) to a third degree (black skin/negrosis of tissue). The difference are mere seconds. The coffee served before and past the accident will both burn you.

Strategia_In_Ultima · #6 March 8th, 2005, 11:31 AM

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Imperator, the only influence the temperature has is the amount of time to make a first degree burn (sunlight burn) to a second degree (red skin) to a third degree (black skin/negrosis of tissue). The difference are mere seconds. The coffee served before and past the accident will both burn you.

Not entirely right.

First degree burn = only the dead top layer of your skin. Can be sunburn, but can also be something else.
Second degree burn = also the underlying layer of tissue.
Third degree burn = a burn all the way down to the deepest flesh. If you have these you'll have to have a skin transplant, if not more - the category "third degree burns" covers everything from just underneath the second layer to burns where your bone itself is blackened and scorched.

Renegade 13 · #7 March 8th, 2005, 03:48 PM

It's simple. You spill something on yourself, it's your own fault. Don't try to blame your own stupidity on someone else.

Hey, I got a promotion!

Sivran · #8 March 8th, 2005, 04:14 PM

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in the time it takes me to change lanes come to a full stop and pull the jeans off I have been burned by your much safer temperature .

No, not unless your jeans are artificially heated. Sixty, even thirty seconds is a lot of time for heat to transfer away. The coffee, now with a much larger area for its heat to escape to, would cool before it could do anything serious. It would not remain at 160F for long enough to burn.

And I never mentioned the price of beans, nor did anyone else... Where the hell did that come from?

Let's play another analogy game. If I open up my computer monitor and stick my bare hands in it, I have a reasonable expectation that--gasp--I might get severely injured (or even killed) by the current running through it. Assuming I lived through it I would have no grounds for sueing anyone.

Coffee on the other hand is a different matter. Coffee is spilled every day, whether we like it or not. Coffee is expected to not cause serious injury, even if spilled. If it does, then either willfully or negligently, someone sold some needlessly dangerous stuff. Remember that this was not an isolated incident with McDonald's: they had been warned, multiple times, that their coffee was dangerously hot. So hot that if spilled, it would burn before cooling to the point where it wouldn't cause a problem.

Can we get back to the roof jumping now?

kerensky · #9 March 8th, 2005, 07:02 PM

Time to open another can of worms.....

I'm not sure if this made t to national levels, but at a local McD here in tidewater, a lady presumably got a chicken head in her chicken nuggets. The odd thing is that she was a dine-in costumer and didn't tell anyone til after she left the store. The only evidence that the head ever existed was a blurry photo, that looked like a rubber chicken, that was mailed to McD. McDonanlds said that they would pay settlments (don't remember how much) if only she would send them the head. She refused and teh whole thing boiled down to nothingness in less than a month.

Some people are just plain stupid...

Mephisto · #10 March 8th, 2005, 07:09 PM

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Sivran said:
Coffee on the other hand is a different matter. Coffee is spilled every day, whether we like it or not. Coffee is expected to not cause serious injury, even if spilled.

Well, we here beyond the pond readily expect serious harm by spilling coffee over our body. That may explain our different points of view.

Now we can jump of the roof. Yiipeee!