Anti air umbrella in middle east

KevinRanger95 · #1 July 13th, 2005, 06:14 PM

So they relied more on SP-AA and AA more than they did on SAMs. Now in this time in history did anyone have anything like HARMs or any of the such?
I really like the Camp in the game, but I would like to make one just alittle longer.
In the game, the loadouts for the sams, would it be to many for the Camp, like in real they had a launcher that held 3 missiles, would the Egyptians only have 2?
And about how many ZSU SP's would there have been?

PlasmaKrab · #2 July 13th, 2005, 06:32 PM

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So they relied more on SP-AA and AA more than they did on SAMs.

Not what I meant. Both systems SA-6 and ZSU23 complemented each other perfeclty on this terrain. And pilots knew that they could avoid missiles by flying low enough, and that they were less likely to get downed instantly from a 23mm burst than from a Kub missile (59kg warhead!)

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Now in this time in history did anyone have anything like HARMs or any of the such?

The Israeli had, mostly first-generation Shrikes, which they felt they were not reliable enough to risk aircrafts on. That is why, as I told you, the Israeli mounted some on Sherman beds to launch from the ground.

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In the game, the loadouts for the sams, would it be to many for the Camp, like in real they had a launcher that held 3 missiles, would the Egyptians only have 2?

In the end battles maybe, else more likely many Israeli aircrafts and no ammo reload for the SAMs.

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And about how many ZSU SP's would there have been?

Anyone got a figure about that? I would hazard to say about one platoon per ground forces battalion r equivalent, probably more.

KevinRanger95 · #3 July 13th, 2005, 06:59 PM

Wow, when I thought that I had heard of everything, shrikes on shermans,got any pics of that? How reliable were they? Did the Egyptian's catch on when they were being engaged by the shrikes that the shermans fired and did they shut down their radars when they were fired on?
How many is in thier platoon?

kevin · #4 July 13th, 2005, 10:32 PM

The Egyptians didn't have to catch onto anything. When they decided to resume the offensive, their armor forces went outside their SAM coverage. Israeli pilots could hunt advancing Egyptian armor with little threat. Their Air Defense system was largely fixed, while the Syrians were mobile.

After the first day, the Syrians had advanced to forward airbases and could practically start firing SAMs before the Israeli Aircraft could form up and figure out what was going on.

PlasmaKrab · #5 July 14th, 2005, 07:23 AM

For ground-fired ARMs:

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...n/Kilshon.html

Could be easily modellable, apparently Listy managed to get one working, as a MRL firing ARMs. Sounds tricky, but well...

KevinRanger95 · #6 July 14th, 2005, 11:41 AM

thats cool, I don't know how ARMs work, but by the looks of the pics on the website, look like they tried real hard to come up with a good plan.
I think I got a good hold on how to set this camp up. I really do want to thank all of you for the help, if you all can send any websites links that might help it would be appreciated, thanks again!!!!!!!!!!!