OT: Enterprise New thread....

Dracus · #1 November 1st, 2001, 03:25 PM

The vulcans are turning out to be not so nice and I am starting to see them as being very sneaking.

dmm · #2 November 1st, 2001, 06:45 PM

Did anyone else have the Last episode (visit to a Vulcan retreat center) figured out by half-way through?

I thought this episode had a lot of potential: overall a good idea, and some memorable scenes (e.g., humans stink, Archer's "important information") But the path from start to finish was very simplistic and predictable. And elements of it were not believeable. I mean, the Andorians had all kinds of sensors, but couldn't detect extensive catacombs or old-fashioned radio signals??? Gimme a break! And then at the end, Archer hands over top-secret info on Earth's Vulcan allies to another group that he knows nothing good about, without checking with headquarters or doing anything to try to salvage Vulcan's reputation. I was expecting him at the least to hand all the weapons to T'Pal so she could prove her loyalty to Archer and the basic honor of ordinary Vulcans to the Andorians. Then they could have had some closing dialogue like:
T'Pal: How did you know I wouldn't kill you to protect my government?
Archer: I didn't. I just trusted you.
T'Pal: That is not logical.
Archer: We have a 5-year mission ahead of us. If I can't trust you, I may as well find out now.
T'Pal: There is some logic in that. But you still stink.

And why is it that no one on Enterprise seems to have studied the Vulcans' database? The Andorians are the Vulcans' nearest neighbors, and have recently been at war with them, and the Feds don't even recognize them. Hello???? They're violent blue humanoids with blond hair and antennae! I recognized them from a single episode of STTOS, and I'm not even a dyed-in-the-wool Trekkie. Didn't anyone on that ship get a passing grade in Interstellar Diplomacy 101?

Overall, I still enjoyed it, but felt that a little thought would have made it a LOT better.

tesco samoa · #3 November 1st, 2001, 07:05 PM

ahh puke we must have been seperated at birth.

History documentaries endings have more surprise than the latest Trek.

This weeks esp. I watched it not thinking trek.trek.trek.

It was ok.

Nothing worse than the first season of Bab5. But nothing better either.

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tesco samoa · #4 November 1st, 2001, 10:00 PM

But always remember the more u hate Trek. Star wars wins. And we do not want that.

Maybe Lucas is the real producer behind Enterprise.
The big 3 'stars' are growing on me.

Good interaction between Tucker, Archer and T'Pol.

Nice seeing Geoffry Combs Last night. (sorry if I mangled his name )

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Cheeze · #5 November 2nd, 2001, 07:41 PM

I liked this past episode, but I had my complaints. Most of all, this is all hanging on my Trek-fan bias towards Vulcans. Spock was my all-time favorite among the originals, and still pretty much at the top now.

I find it hard to believe that the Vulcans could have a centuries-long (by TOS timeline) reputation for honesty when there is this flat-out lie. On top of that, sure the guy was a monk (perhaps not), but how does Archer take him out with an elbow? Of course Kirk could do it, but no one can deliver the double axehandle punch like him...or the running drop kick.

Great show..I'll still be watching!! I do like how the humans seem somewhat clumsy and goofy at times.

Urendi Maleldil · #6 November 5th, 2001, 06:57 AM

Wow, with this latest episode the humans are the first interplanetary tourists.

Atrocities · #7 November 5th, 2001, 06:59 PM

Brandon Braga, and Rick Berman have both stated in interviews that the Vulcan attitude is directly related to events that will inlighten many of us. What exactly that means, I have no fricking idea.

Jeffery Combs, (The Lead Andorian, Wyoune, and Brunt the Ferengi) did a great job here, and I hope to see his andorian character again.