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November 28th, 2005, 07:21 PM
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Re: OT: Test to see where you stand Morally.
Hey, don't blame me! I voted for Kodos.
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November 30th, 2005, 09:44 AM
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Re: OT: Test to see where you stand Morally.
Honest question, really: why do people hate Hillary Clinton so much?
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November 30th, 2005, 05:44 PM
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Re: OT: Test to see where you stand Morally.
I dunno.
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November 30th, 2005, 06:22 PM
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Re: OT: Test to see where you stand Morally.
Just my personal opinion, but she always seemed to me like she felt that she needed to be the center of attention at all times. It may or may not be the way she is, thats just how I alwasy saw her. Add that to the fact that she is a politician, and well, most people don't like politicians to begin with. I've just never really liked any self centered people. If she really isn't like that and its just the media making her look that way, then she needs better PR. More likely though is she has decent PR and is actually worse than she appears. I'd like to say the fact that I don't agree with most her political views has nothing to do with my impression of her, but I don't think I can separate political views and personality, so if I don't like her views then I don't like her.
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November 30th, 2005, 11:02 PM
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Re: OT: Test to see where you stand Morally.
The people that have known of her since the seventies have found the woman to be a vindictive ***** who has never felt that she was held to the same rules of conduct as the rest of us. The highlights of this would be her participation of the impeachment of Nixon as an intern then congressional staffer. During this time it is reported that she made many lifelong enemies on the hill by refusing to give MC’s their due respect. I would think that this played no small part in the treatment that her husband later received. Then later she was involved in qusi-criminal activities involving investments and land deals. Between the convenient suicide of an important witness and the power of the presidency, she was never taken to task. Later, some of her business partners went to jail. When she arrived in Washington, she cleaned house, firing many people who had served in the Whitehouse for many administrations. Some of these people later had their dismissals reversed, but none the less never regained their actual positions. Recently, there was a book published about her that was less than flattering. She has insisted that it was a “pack of lies and distortions”, but has yet to file suit against the author or his publisher for same. Instead, she used her political power to freeze said author off of the normal talk show circuit used by authors when promoting new books. Said author did file and subsequently settle a suit against several corporations for said activities.
Personally, I dislike her because of her distorted view of the constitution, and her ceaseless campaign to take rights away from law abiding citizens. IMHO, I would suggest that you read the book. Then read her biography. After that, form your own opinion.
On a side note. She was often a victim of circumstanses. One incident that I will always remember is the day she exited from testifying before the grand jury about something or other and she was wearing a long black coat. On TV it looked as if a pigion had crapped all over the back of it. For those of you not living in DC, this has been known to happen to public officials at less than opportune times. She and her press people immediately sprang into action explaining that the coat actually had an embroidered silk dragon on the back side. The next morning, the Post headline read “Dragon Lady Testifies Before Grand Jury”
In writing this, I have just realized that she testified before several grand juries and a special prosecutor. Off hand, I can not recall any other first ladies having to do this. I think it was perhaps a first. But so was having a trusted advisor commit suicide in the executive office spaces. I’d sure like to see read ALL of the reports on that one.
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December 1st, 2005, 02:56 AM
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Re: OT: Test to see where you stand Morally.
I appreciate the answer. It's educational to get an understanding of others' opinions. I do think that most, if not all of the things you mention have been undertaken by many other politicians on both sides of the aisle. I mean, if the Right held the Bush administration to the same standards as it did the Clinton one, they'd all be impeaching them as well.
But, nevermind.
I do, however, find it absolutely hilarious when the Right puts on its victimhood hat and blames the Clintons or the Dems for every problem under the sun. I mean, the Right has controlled the legislature for over a decade, the Supremes for arguably much longer, and the Executive for almost six years. Yet, they still seem to think they're the victims. And you just know that if we lose in Iraq they'll blame it on the Left - despite the fact that the President has gotten everything he asked for in Iraq planning, execution, etc...
But I digress.
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December 1st, 2005, 03:01 AM
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Re: OT: Test to see where you stand Morally.
Right left, they are both to blame. Nuff said.
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December 3rd, 2005, 12:36 AM
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Re: OT: Test to see where you stand Morally.
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Honest question, really: why do people hate Hillary Clinton so much?
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I think the "Inhumanly Cold" reason used earlier by Starhawk covers why I don't like her. Being a Democrat and her stance on violent video games*(which I hold near and dear to my heart) doesn't help her case much either.
Really theres no reason why I should like her...
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